07-05-2005, 10:12 PM
07-05-2005, 10:33 PM
[mad]BAD BOY UTBASS[mad]
NO FISH FOR YOU......1 WEEK.
Seriously...People should just chill....
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NO FISH FOR YOU......1 WEEK.
Seriously...People should just chill....
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07-05-2005, 10:41 PM
I'm not afraid to admit that I am a swivel user. I use swivels frequently, but I never use one of those snap swivels attached directly to a lure. Trolling I have found that if I vary the speed of the trolling motor, at some speed almost all lures will spin and if I don't have a swivel on my line it will twist my line. I have found that even vertical jigging (perhaps I am doing something wrong), many jigs will keep turning the same direction, and over time will twist the line if I don't use a swivel. Attaching a quality swivel to my line, and then about 24 inches to 36 inches of leader (for some situations I use additional leader), before attaching the lure, jig or whatever, works for me and until proven otherwise, I will continue doing so. BTW -- by using quality swivels I have never had a swivel break off on me, even while reeling in a 180 pound sturgeon (yes I always use swivels while fishing bait for sturgeon).
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07-05-2005, 10:44 PM
I am sorry too! I personally jumped on the "trash" band wagon without thinking about the implications... and I use bait! 5lb small mouth on a night crawler in Jordanelle the Friday before last! Of course I gave up on artificials because I am a sucky bass fisherman and tried night crawlers for another species and ended up catching the small mouth I was originally after on the night crawler! []
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07-05-2005, 10:51 PM
OK, now that this discussion is "healthy" again, I have some questions. I have heard you guys say "never attach the swivel to the bait" and "I only use them above a leader" but I haven't heard any reasons why? Is it the obvious? That you believe it reduces the "attractiveness" of the bait that much? Does it affect the action? Please educate this naive fisherman!
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07-05-2005, 11:05 PM
In certain cases I am sure that attaching a swivel directly to a lure, bait or jig, will impact its attractiveness to a fish, but there are two main reasons that I don't do it. First, attaching a lure with a snap swivel will take away much of the action that a lure is intended to make as it travels through the water. Secondly, on a jig, the jig will not hang at a 90 degree angle if it is not tied onto the leader.
Example of a snap swivel:
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For a lure (not a jig, fly, or for bait) I will often use a snap to attach the lure to the line. Here is what a snap looks like:
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Example of a snap swivel:
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For a lure (not a jig, fly, or for bait) I will often use a snap to attach the lure to the line. Here is what a snap looks like:
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07-06-2005, 12:53 AM
Hey Kent I'm with you on the snaps! Old Coot showed me them at Willard. Changing lures is a snap with a snap. And yes I use swivels too, but always with a leader. But then I always use a leadr also.
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07-06-2005, 01:01 AM
[blush] [#505000]I'll repent of my evil ways too. I got a little heated when the attack on bait fishermen started on that last thread, although I did try to keep from getting personal. Anyway if I crossed a line, and I hope I didn't, I apologize. [/#505000]
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[#505000]Anyway I use swivels when bait fishing for two reasons:[/#505000]
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[#505000]1. I put my weight above the swivel to keep it from sliding down the leader to the bait.[/#505000]
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[#505000]2. I use it so I can swap leaders quickly and get my pole back in the water.[/#505000]
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[#505000]Anyway I use swivels when bait fishing for two reasons:[/#505000]
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[#505000]1. I put my weight above the swivel to keep it from sliding down the leader to the bait.[/#505000]
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[#505000]2. I use it so I can swap leaders quickly and get my pole back in the water.[/#505000]
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07-06-2005, 02:10 PM
Much appreciated Kent! Now, where do you find the snaps? I actually re-stocked on swivels last week and was specifically looking for the snap and couldn't find it at Sportsman's Warehouse! Also, what type of knot do you recommend when tying a snap? Palomar, orvis, double improved clinch?
[url "http://www.salmonuniversity.com/ol_knots.html"]http://www.salmonuniversity.com/ol_knots.html[/url]
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[url "http://www.salmonuniversity.com/ol_knots.html"]http://www.salmonuniversity.com/ol_knots.html[/url]
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07-06-2005, 02:17 PM
Thanks punisher! I was on with the littering thing but when the generalizations and the head bashing started... that caught me by surprise! You didn't cross the line with your words but when you combine the "skull" with the "punisher" name and the words it affected the whole tenre... just kidding [] I did catch the intentional misspellings... it lightened the mood for me! []
Now, can you go into detail about the leaders? Do you carry "prepared" leaders? Tie them yourself? Do you have several leaders with baits pre-tied so when you quickly swap the leader you are swapping the bait? How do you tie the leader and bait?
Thanks!
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Now, can you go into detail about the leaders? Do you carry "prepared" leaders? Tie them yourself? Do you have several leaders with baits pre-tied so when you quickly swap the leader you are swapping the bait? How do you tie the leader and bait?
Thanks!
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07-06-2005, 02:25 PM
Hey guys, I'm back. Things went to crap when I took off yesterday. To clear everything up about the provo bait thought, no I did not mean baitfisherman are stupid, that not being able to read thing was in reference to those bait fisherman that do not know how to either read a map or a proclamation and know they shouldn't be fishing those portions of the provo with bait. For he%@'s sake, look at my name, wrmdnkr, I'm the biggest worm drowner around at those locations that require the use of bait to be successful. As for people that liter, no, not all bait fisherman liter, but those that do fish illegal rivers with illegal bait usually do not care enough to pick up the hook wrappers and bait containers. No need to turn on each other, I just wish people would clean up after themselves and obey the law.[angelic]
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07-06-2005, 02:26 PM
[#505000]Well I can't speak for others, but when I decide I want to change baits, hooks, ect.... I leave my pole in the water. Grab 20 inches or so of my favorite leader material, tie a hook on one end, a surgeons knot on the other, then bait my hook.[/#505000]
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[#505000]I bring in the line unsnap my swivel, take off my current leader and replace it with the new one. Then cast. If all goes well I will have spend less then 2-3 minutes out of the water instead of 5-10 minutes messing with it otherwise. I suppose a snap would work just as well though.[/#505000]
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[#505000]I bring in the line unsnap my swivel, take off my current leader and replace it with the new one. Then cast. If all goes well I will have spend less then 2-3 minutes out of the water instead of 5-10 minutes messing with it otherwise. I suppose a snap would work just as well though.[/#505000]
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07-06-2005, 02:51 PM
Thanks worm dunker!
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07-06-2005, 03:01 PM
Cool, I think I am convinced to try something new the next time I hit the 'nelle! Surgeon's... that's and overhand, then another, then finish it "square," right?
Any opinions on the knot to use on a crank? Spinner bait? Offset shank? Bait hook? Naive me... I always used a clinch knot and broke it twice last week! I got to doing some research online and the trilene, palomar, orvis and double improved clinch are all stronger and at least a couple of them seem easier to tie!
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Any opinions on the knot to use on a crank? Spinner bait? Offset shank? Bait hook? Naive me... I always used a clinch knot and broke it twice last week! I got to doing some research online and the trilene, palomar, orvis and double improved clinch are all stronger and at least a couple of them seem easier to tie!
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07-06-2005, 04:46 PM
no problem provoriverfool, let's go kick some ##@ up there and maybe catch some of those bait maniacs in the act of breaking the law!!!
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07-06-2005, 06:21 PM
Just to add my 2cents in on this,I always use a swivle when bait fishing on the bottom because I use a slip rig,The weight sits againest the swivle until the fish wants to take off with the bait and the line feeds thru the wieght so the fish doesn't feel the resistance and hold s on longer,I tie directly to jigs,and use snaps clips on crankbaits,rapalas,etc.it doesn't mess with there action and its easy to switch biats,I also use swivles on anything that spins,spoons,spinners,etc.I dont think they look very natraul on a jig and would never use a snap clip either.
Later,FNF.
PRF,You can get the snap clips at sportsmans,They have all different sizes.I use the small and medium sized ones.
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Later,FNF.
PRF,You can get the snap clips at sportsmans,They have all different sizes.I use the small and medium sized ones.
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07-06-2005, 06:38 PM
Cool, thanks! I will need to ask for help I guess. I was looking along with all the snap, barrel, etc. swivels.
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07-06-2005, 06:45 PM
I guess I missed the other thread on this subject, but here's why I don't and never will hook a snap swivel to my lure again. I lost a 10 plus largemouth bass because the swivel came open and the fish was gone with my rapala. this happened a long time ago 1975 in San Diego Calif lake miramar. I do use barrel swivels on worm a harness and allso snap swivel on the bottom bouncer but you can get away with a big swivel on a bottom bouncer for strenth. I know alot of ocean fisherman don't like swevels much either because another fish wil hit the swivel while your fitting one fish and break you off. swivels are just one persons choice. just my 10 cents, later chuck
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07-06-2005, 11:38 PM
I have purchased the snaps at Sportsman's (over by the swivels and hooks) and also Cabella's carries them. I use a Palomar or a Uni Knot, but any good knot will work fine.
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07-07-2005, 01:05 PM
Yes, get youself a leader wallet(anything that will hold pre-tied leaders) I use a home made one of small plastic pouches held in an old billfold. I always carry a dozen or so leaders with me so that I can change tactics according to the situation by just attaching a different or new leader to my line. But even then, there are times when I have to build one on the water to fit the conditions. But you can save a lot of fishing time by preparing the leaders at home before hand.
I use snaps, swivels, snap swivels, barrel swivels(sometimes more than one at a time on my line) and I also tie many presentations directly to the line. I have not found that one method is applicable in all situations, so I use many.
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I use snaps, swivels, snap swivels, barrel swivels(sometimes more than one at a time on my line) and I also tie many presentations directly to the line. I have not found that one method is applicable in all situations, so I use many.
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