Just thought I'd post this observation and question. Some of ya had commented that they didn't know tigers went after smallies after a previous experience I had an posted. Well----------------, I just got back from the Pine this pm (poor fishing) and thought I'd post this. I caught a 14 1/2 in smallie on a reaper again and boy, it was slashed up bad. Don't know if it happened while retrieving or before but it was fresh!!!! I hope it recovers. Seems to me that if you could catch a small smallie or perch and use it for bait you coud really tie into em. I know, not legal!!!! [mad] Not even dead game fish right? If you happen to catch a live smallie/perch and a tiger takes it, How does the DWR distinguish? Since it's happened several times to me now, I think it's a reasonable question!!! [crazy] Do you release it or what (assuming it's legal length)? I'd release it after pics. anyway but I probably would never land it on 8# line in a tube anyway.
Leaky
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Well now ---------- ? What's the problem here? 223 views and no answer of comment?[unsure] I thought it was a resonable question. Was I mistaken?
Leaky
Well, Leaky,
It is a reasonable question, i have not chimed in because i asked another reasonable question to a DWR officer on free fishing day, i'll answer yours first ,then give you the answer from DWR.
Do tigers hit smalies <well of coarse they do, Tigers will eat any thing smaller than they are, they are feeding machines. Can you keep a legal sized Muskie if you landed it after it ate the perch or smallie that you caught and were bringing in when it decided to swallow it whole, NO, the "bait" presented to it is larger than a 1 inch cube, that makes it illegal bait. You couldn't keep it because it was an illegal fishing practice (or some sort of BULL**** like that).
My question came after the high water on the Ogden river (which is right behind my house and i fish quite regularly and spotted a muskie that had washed down from the dam.
"If you catch a Muskie on the Ogden river where there are no written limits for Tiger Muskie on that strech of water can you keep it and help save the trout population from the devastation of such a preditor". First immediate answer from this officer was yes, get them out, with a very quick NO wait you can't because the state limit to keep a muskie is 40 inces.
It really comes down to the individual, you say if you could land one that ate the smallie or perch you were reeling in you would get a pic and release it, so be it no laws broken (altough if it were a record fish you might have some problems getting logged as a legal catch).
In my case if I catch one on the Ogden river it will be very hard to release knowing what a preditor it is, but will probably have to.
I don't know if this will help or not, but it's my 2 cents.
P.S. now my boat is back up and running mabey i'll run into you sometime.
Ken
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I think that even a foul hooked fish has to be released by the definition of hooked fish.
I was fishing the Green with a friend of mine and he caught a small Rainbow. As he was bringing it in, a big Brown swallowed up the smaller fish and the fight was on. He landed the Brown with the hook in its mouth. Was that a legal catch? [I think that the Rainbow was inside the Brown.] P.S. He let the Brown go.
So to me your Tiger was not caught by legal angling in my opinion.
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Interesting situation. If it were me, never would happen since I don't fish the Ogden River, and it wasn't a long ways from the damn, I would wrap it in wet towels, etc. and drive up to Pineview and try to revive it and release it. I would take the chance on a ticket. But that's me being Mr. Perfect, ha, ha. [angelic] Seriously I probably would try.
Leaky
Any other trout fishermen want to chime in on this one? A couple of Tiger Muskies could really (and have, along with poor water managment) wreak some havok on a decent flyfishing/angling stream.
When is the last time someone caught a trout in pineview, i know i never have. I like to fish for different species and alot of times I decide where to go by what I hunger for, a fight or food! Would anyone wnt the DWR to plant Tiger Muskie in Willard Bay as a Big Game Fish? I love Willard for the fight and food (wiper and wallies are both nummy). Sometimes i'm in the mood for some smoked trout so i head up to East Canyon and hope that the Whirling Disease dosn't make me walk in circles when i'm 60(LMAO). I also like to flip a fly and scrap with a nice lil brown or rainbow on a 5 wt rod, without having to drive to the green or up to henrys fork to get it. I live right on the Ogden, can't get any closer without floating downstream. When I saw a Muskie swimming in the shallows behind my house this summer i went on a quest to get it out.... I failed. I heard a couple more were found washed up dead along the river (guess that's why the DWR stocked a bunch more about a month ago). Don't get me wrong, the Muskie has found a home in pineview and I love to chase after them (still don't know if they're any good to eat, haven't caught a keeper yet, but i've heard pike can be good) but Don't want them where i fish for trout. Where I take my boys to fish for Trout. I know some of you don't think much of trout but some of us fish alot of different ways, keep it interesting you know.
Damn i'm rambling now.....oh yeah maybe i would try to take it back up to the damn..dam..geez maybe i need to give up on this rant and call it a night.
Good call leaky.
Lets go fishin sometime.
PM Me.
Kenny
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trollinfool,
Sounds like you're a distance from the damn. Didn't realize that tigers were found in the Ogden that much.[shocked] Sounds like, maybe they won't survive in the river? Hope not.
P.S. Just ot let ya know. I'm a warm water fisherman in the summer and trout/whitefish in the winter. Most of my trout is on the Weber.
I doon't know if you want to waste your time with an old man and an hyper golden but I would be preveliged to say howdy any time I see ya. Good fishing!!!!!!!!!!
Leaky
your right leaky i do live further down the river, right by the rodeo grounds. and we do get the muskies in the river on occasion, this year was the worst because of the high runoff this spring (i watched it rise to about a foot below the trail behind my house!) but over the last few years i've heard other fishermen say they've seen em in there, one was caught 2 years ago right behind rainbow gardens. It did kinda get my goat when the DWR officer first said yes so quicklly followed by an immediate no. But he said he had found a couple dead ones so maybe they won't survive in the river, sorry to say hope not. But if they make it all the way down to ogden bay they can sure feast on some carp! LOL!
C'ya round sometime, look for a small fiberglass boat with a redneck at the helm, problly a couple little redhead boys with me.
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Heres my two cents..........If im not mistaken aren't the tiger muskie a hybrid, and the information i got tells me that they would be sterile, thus non reproducing so the thought of them over populating pineview res or the Ogden River is unlikely. Now knowing that i don't see how 1 or 2 or even more Tigers in the ogden pose the least bit of a threat. one reason being the ogden doesn't seem to maintain high enough flows to maintain them and two the Ogden is quite a bit of space for a few tigers. I am a bit skepital to think that a tiger could even survive for very long in the Ogden river. I would like to be proven wrong. I do know that there are many rivers that produce Pike, Muskelunge and other similar fish rather well, although i just have a difficult time bringing it all together. Now Leaky i think your heart is in the right place, the Muskie may have a better life in the Res and i for one would be right by your side in trying to relocate him. Just my thought anyway.
i have always wondered if the musky were in the ogden. i fish the ogden queit a bit. iIhave caught smallmouth, bluegill, perch, and the trout but never a musky but that would be awesome.
tight lines pineview fisher
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