Say hello to global warming boys. Ice on Willard? Don't expect to see it again. As the heat rises and the water warms you'll see less trout and more bass in Utah reservoirs and lakes, especially the low and mid-elevation sites.
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you and al gore
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I think I'm going to blame my kids bad behavior on global warming, seems everything else these days is because of "global warming".
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So ignore the media reports - both claiming it exists and those who say it is a joke - and think about how your experiences in the outdoors have changed over the last 20 or so years. Windknot made some observations that make sense to me. You don't need anybody to tell you whether it exists one way or the other, just think about it.
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OK I have to chime in on this one.. Global warming is happening and has been sence the end of the ice age. The rate is the concern, I think both sides have good research. Just wish it wasn't a political thing. It seems it your red or blue you seem to fallow whatever your party has to say about it. The problem with that is we don't open our ears to the other side and just spit out crap like "you and al gore". On this board I hear alot of stuff like don't over harvest the fish or polute the lake I fish in with trash. Then they turn around and say hey mother nature will take care of it. This way of thinking sickins me. what is so wrong with leaving less of foot print. I remember in scouts they would say leave it better then when you came. That didn't only mean a camping spot it meant the planet. So makeing less of a impact on the enviroment is always a good idea. So if there is even any chance that greenhouse gases are warming up the environment why not cut them back. Any thing to keep things from getting out of hand. Remember way back when, When utah lake was a clear blue lake and it had lots of trout. I guess man does change things for the worse when we only think of ourselves and not the future. You know our kids and grand kids and so forth.
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[cool]Global warming is VERY real, and a huge problem. I'll be honest though, I voted for Bush this past election (better than Kerry, I guess) but the head climateologist of the U.S. Government has been forced to "edit" his actual thoughts and findings on recent global warming to satisfy the Bush Administration before the press releases come out on his data. There was an excellent piece on this on 60 Minutes the other day. It's a VERY interesting (and scary) read[pirate]. You guys might want to check this out:
[url "http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml"]http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml[/url]
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Global warming has been going on for a LOOOOONNNG time. Just ask the saber tooth tiger, and the wooly mammoth! Oh wait, they are extinct because of lack of ice! Are humans contributing? Probably. Can we do anything about it? Probably not. People piss and moan about how much we pollute, but have you ever been to a 3rd world country? The cars they drive still have absolutely 0 emmision control devices. They burn the lowest grade fuel possible. Each day you will cough up dirty phlegm from your lungs from the bad air. I think all the uber treehuggers out there need to target those places instead of blaming everything on Bush and the US. Heck I'm all for improving the envirionment, I dig biodiesel, solar and wind power, and even pay for recycling at my house, so don't accuse me of not thinking of the planet, but I really think what is done is done, and until the whole dang planet changes their ways, shut your pie hole, cause even if the US was completely zero emmisions, all those other little piss ant countries would ruin the place with the lack of any pollution control. Enough ranting.
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[cool]redlight, I believe that global warming is real too (see my other post on this thread), but just fyi, TubeDude, BassAckward, CBR, bassrods, and I icefished Willard this past December on top of about 4-5 inches of hardwater. However, the fishing sucked, so we went up and tried the West end of Mantua where the fishing also sucked. Just wanted to let you know that Willard still freezes, just for only about a month or so (similar to Utah Lake). You've gotta catch it at the coldest part of the winter these days...[unsure]
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I will agree with you that the problem is not only america's it is a world issue. But look at the piss ant country called brazil they use E85 fuel and bio diesel. If that piss ant country can do it why can't we? I use solar at my house The funny thing because I have passive solar on my house it is hard to get someone to fund a morgage on it. I try to live with less impact myself. My family and I go for walks in parks and pick up cans and trash. The boys get the cans and turn them in with all my beer cans[
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My point is why can't we all just take little steps to make the world a better place. Stop thinking that the world is a unlimited resource.
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I saw a program on KUED talking about ploution in China it said that a quarter of the air polution in LA is carried over the Pacific Ocean from China. I am fairly conservative, and I think that goes hand in hand with being environmentaly conscious. It would be nice to hear more about environmental groups getting on the cases of countries like China and India that pollute far more than the US. I'm still young and don't have kids yet, but I want to be sure that when I do that there will be opportunities for them to enjoy the outdoors like I did. It is too bad that global warming is more about politics than what is actually happening. I find it hard to believe any studies funded by either liberal or conservative groups. It's like medical studies funded and run by drug companies. Anyways, destroying the environment is bad. Blaming Bush for the worlds problems is lame too.
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CBS, let's see, that's the one that used forged documents to try and slime Geroge W. . I wouldn't believe anything that comes from them. 25 years ago on the cover of National Geographic they did a story on the coming ice age, I must of slept through it. I also remember Ted Danson 15 or so years ago claim that if we didn't do something to clean up our oceans in 10 years they would be dead. Pretty sure their not. If people would do some of their own research and not rely on biased data we would get a much clearer picture of our world.
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This is just how it looks to me & I might be all wet. All fossil fuels are really nothing but stored sunlight. Think about it. Plants use the suns energy to convert CO2 into carbon and oxygen. That reaction is endothermic, ie. it uses energy and that energy comes from the sun. Coal is mostly ancient plant life. Animal life depends on plant life for a food source in the overall scheme of things and oil is mostly ancient animal life of some sort that got its energy from plants that got their energy from the sun.
We are now burning fossil fuels like there is no tomorrow thereby releasing all that stored energy into our atmosphere and in the process releasing an untold load of CO2. To compound the problem, CO2 in the atmosphere is a mighty fine insulator that is keeping a lot of that heat locked in by not letting it radiate off into space.
I'm a great believer in the ability of mother nature to heal itself and submit that the plant life on both land and in the oceans will begin to flourish using up a lot of the CO2 thereby lessening the insulation effect. That process most likely will take more time than any of us will live to see, probably more that many generations will live to see. In the meantime we'd better figure out how to live with the mess we're making.`
If you think I'm nutty, that's OK but at least think about it.
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not to get any one stirred up but what about the dust bowl of the 30, emiisions werent the problem then.but we blame every thing on the industrial rev.ill drive my truck you can bicycle if you like.
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Wow. I've got to say that I've gotten quite sick of hearing about "Global Warming". It's a natural earth cycle!
When the dinosaurs were around, was the earth not all tropical rainforests and shallow seas? I don't think human beings were putting fossil fuels into the air then.
Then came an Ice Age, filled with Mamoths, Saber-Toothed Tigers and Nieanderthals. No change in the amounts gasses in the ozone; Just a cool-down period.
After that Ice Age it started to warm, the ice melted, and we have early human beings. That kept up untill around 1600 AC, when yet another mild ice age began. You can blame the Protestant Revolution, Salem Witch Trials, American Revolution, French Revolution... I think you get what I mean. It was all triggered by that cool down period.
And now we're simply going through another warming trend, that most likely will reverse itself within 10, or 50, or 100 years. Look at the history of it; It's been going on as long as the earth has been around. History has a habbit of repeating itself, and it will repeat itself again.
Fossil fuels are influencing it. SOMEWHAT. But I can't say that it can be blamed 100% on humans, considering that this has been going on for billions of years. It'll correct itself. Just give it time. Sure, for a while, there may be more bass in more lakes. But, eventually, another cooling trend will come through, there will be even more chaos world-wide, and lakes like Jordanelle will only be able to support trout.
At least that's my oppinion. Take it or leave it.
[cool]Hey, I'm not a granola eating tree-hugger, dude, but I do care somewhat about the environment, and what the head climateologist of NASA said on 60 minutes was very startling to me and served as a bit of a wake-up call, that's all. I"m republican, pro-big business, big trucks, and all of that, but to hear about how global warming is on a massive increase right now does concern me a bit. Go ahead and brush it off, but your kids or grand kids might be living in a totally changed world 30 years down the road than the one you and I live in.
Fish on!
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[font "Arial"][#003399][size 4]Global Warming -- Or Just a Lot of Hot Air?[/size][/#003399][/font][font "Times New Roman"][size 3] [/size][/font] [indent][font "arial,helvetica"][size 3]By Lowell Ponte[/size][/font]
[font "arial"][size 2]Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2006[/size][/font] [/indent]
"More Frequent Heat Waves Linked to Global Warming" declared the Aug. 4 Washington Post headline of a story predicting that record-breaking killer heat waves might soon become the norm in the United States and Europe.
Because of the Earth's warming climate, this story warned, the lethal heat that scorched Europe in 2003, killing thousands, would by 2040 return every other summer. The United States, too, would suffer frequent hellish summers, presumably in punishment for our environmental sins of greenhouse pollution.
With 100-plus degree heat index temperatures baking America's Northeast from Boston to Washington, D.C., some Post readers doubtless rushed into air-conditioned theaters to immerse themselves in former Vice President Al Gore's doomsayer documentary, "An Inconvenient Truth," a science fiction worst-case scenario of catastrophic global warming.
But are such heat waves, however extreme, really evidence of a fast-warming global climate as Gore and the mainstream media would have us believe? Even Post reporter Juliet Eilperin conceded that "it is impossible to attribute any one weather event to climate change."
"Virtually all climate experts agree that it is impossible to attribute any single weather event – a heat wave, drought or hurricane – to global warming," wrote the New York Times near the bottom of an Aug. 1 editorial, "given the myriad factors that influence weather."
"A heat wave is a heat wave," is the more blunt assessment of Jim St. John, a meteorological scientist at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta. "We've always had them in the summer months, and they don't necessarily tell us anything about climate change."
Atmospheric scientists have good reasons to be skeptical about purported weather-climate connections. Weather involves short-term phenomena such as rainstorms, heat waves and dry spells that happen on time scales from minutes to at most a few years. Weather changes constantly and often goes to extremes of hot and cold, wet and dry.
Climate, by contrast, describes a place's average patterns of weather over 30 years or more – and therefore reflects the continuing influence of temperature, wind, precipitation and many other factors. A place's – or a planet's – climate cannot be redefined by a few days, or even a few years, of unusual weather.
Environmental radicals claimed that this summer's heat wave shattered all previous high-temperature records, and they implied that this heat came at least in part from human-caused global warming. Such claims are incorrect or unproven, according to Virginia Polytechnic Institute climatologist Patrick Michaels.
"From June 1 to Aug. 31, 1930," Michaels told Cybercast News Service, "21 days had high temperatures that were 100 degrees or above" in metropolitan Washington, D.C. Many heat records were set that year, especially from July 19 to Aug. 9. "That summer has never been approached," said Michaels, "and it's not going to be approached this year."
The blazing summer of 1930 began the longest American drought of the 20th century. "In 1934, dry regions stretched from New York and Pennsylvania across the Great Plains to California," wrote CNS reporter Randy Hall. "A ‘Dust Bowl' covered about 50 million acres in the south-central plains during the winter of 1935-36," and drove many thousands of busted Oklahoma and Arkansas farm families -- Okies and Arkies -- westward to California.
Then as now, a few scientists became media darlings by warning of an impending climatic disaster from global warming. A handful of those scientists identified carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels as a climate-warming greenhouse gas, but human cars and factories were too few to have caused the Dust Bowl.
But a sudden chill began around 1940, the start of nearly four decades of climatic cooling in the Northern Hemisphere. By the late 1970s the Mississippi River was clogging with winter ice. Water pipes five feet underground were freezing and bursting in Chicago. Buffalo, N.Y., was buried beneath record blizzard snowfall. Snow even fell briefly on the beaches of Miami, Florida. The same weekly news magazines that today tout Gore's extreme claims about global warming were only three decades ago warning of a fast-approaching new ice age.
Weather runs to extremes over the United States and Europe because our skies are a battleground where churning warm air moving north from the equator collides with cold air pushing south from the Arctic. This gives the United States the most varied, turbulent weather anywhere on Earth, from desert "witches winds" in the West to Tornado Alley and blizzards in our heartland to hurricanes along our Gulf and East Coasts. A heat wave typically happens when warm air pushes farther north than usual. But at the same time, chances are that somewhere else around the planet cold Arctic air is bulging farther south than usual as Earth's "weather machine" redistributes energy in the atmosphere.
The mainstream media trumpets hot spells as evidence of the global warming on its political agenda. Here's some of the opposite-but-equal unusual cold it scarcely reported:
[li]In December 2005 devastating cold chilled the Rocky Mountain West. Last Dec. 7 at West Yellowstone, Mont., the temperature fell to 45 below zero, fully six degrees colder than the previous record set in 1927, according to the National Weather Service. In Fort Collins, Colo., the mercury plunged to 37 below zero, and even in Lubbock in the Texas panhandle it dipped to only six degrees above zero.
[li]Across the Pacific Ocean, February 2006 temperatures along Russia's Siberian coastline plummeted to 69 degrees below zero, shattering all previous cold records by six degrees. Unusual cold and snow blasted other regions of the former Soviet Union, from Moscow to Georgia along the southern beaches of the Black Sea.
[li]Winter snowfall has been breaking records in the United States and Eurasia since March 1993's "Storm of the Century" dumped snow up to four feet deep from New York to Alabama, as TechCentralStation reported June 2. On Feb. 17-18, 2003, Boston set a new all-time storm record with 27.5 inches of snow. On Feb. 17-18, 2006, a blizzard dumped 26.9 inches of snow on New York City's Central Park, a record unequalled since the blizzard of 1888.
The climate is now measurably cooling in Eastern Europe. Even Gore in his global warming book, An Inconvenient Truth, shouts that "temperature increases are taking place all over the world" (p. 78) but in the back of the book's fine print admits that "some parts of the globe – such as northern Europe – might actually become colder" (p. 321).
We now know that the 2003 European heat wave was caused by rare events in Earth's upper atmosphere, not by global warming. Recent record snowfall, as well as 2005's brief burst of hurricanes, has been driven by known cycles in such weather phenomena, not necessarily by global warming.
Bottom line: As research scientist Dr. Nigella Hillgarth of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography near San Diego says, "One heat wave does not make global warming."
Lowell Ponte, a NewsMax.com contributing editor, is the former Roving Science Editor for Reader's Digest Magazine. He wrote The Cooling (Prentice-Hall), a study of Earth's changing climate[/li]
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