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For those of you that use breaded line to jig with. do you tie on some leader directley to the line or use a swival? Or do you just tie your jig directly to your breaded line? I went to a jigging seminar up at the berry but this is one thing in it that he did not explain or i was to busy dreaming off to some fantasy world of big fish and big bulls
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[font "Times New Roman"][#808000][size 3]I use a leader with the braids and tie a Uni knot to Uni knot to connect them.[/size][/#808000][/font]
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What Wyobraz said. []
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[black][size 3]When you refer to braided line, what mfg. and model type are you referring to?[/size][/black]
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WHAT BRAZ SAID. WE ALL DO IT THE SAME DOENT MATER WHAT TYPE OF BRAID. NEVER TIE DIRRECT TO THE JIG. IF I CAN SEE IT FISH SURE CAN AS WELL.
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I use the 14lb Fireline braid, and PLine 8lb fluorcarbon leader for jigging. In the past, I always rigged my poles the night before, using the uni to uni knot (some call it a blood knot). One day I went out and had a couple of catastrophic breakoffs and was forced into tying an uni-to-uni knot out on the water, or just tying it to a swivel.
Because it was easier and faster, I just used a swivel. I kept on catching fish at the same rate as before, and the only bad thing about it was that sometimes the swivel would end up going thru my eyelets if I reeled in too far. The GOOD part however was that it did prevent line twist, which had been a problem before, since I don't like to use a swivel at the jig.
Now, I just use swivels to join the braid and the leader.

Fish Catching: Its a wash
Ease of use: Much faster and easier
Good things: No line twist
Bad things: Gets stuck in the eyelets sometimes.

But nobody catches fish jigging at the Berry anyway so I don't know what you are asking for...[]

Randy
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[black][size 3]Most of my jigging has been done with 8 and 10 lb. mono. tying directly to the jig.[/size][/black]
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[size 3]More recently, I found Fireline, and am really impressed with it.[/size]
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[size 3]When I get out and about, I plan on spooling up my reels with the new Fireline Crystal.[/size]
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[size 3]Has anyone tried it? and if so, what was your impression?[/size]
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[size 3][black]Every thing that I hear about Pline is good, does anyone use it as their standard line?[/black][/size]
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[#002850]I tie fireline to my leader using the no name knot. It is easy, strong, and less likely to hang up in your guides.[/#002850]
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Funny you would ask about the Fireline Crystal. I needed another rig last week so I dug out my ice fishing reel...which happens to be spooled with the Fireline Crystal. It is just as good as the regular Fireline and would highly recommend it. Even though it is rated at 14 or 12 lbs or so, it is only the diameter of 6 lb mono.
I like using the braid (Fireline/Fireline Crystal) as the main line as it does not stretch and you can really feel the bites as it is more sensitive.
I tried the Pline as a mainline and had many many many breakoffs. It seems that it is great as a leader, but not as a mainline in my experience with it. I find that I must be very careful with the knots, and lubricate them before cinching down, otherwise it snaps off even before I use it. I change leader on ALL my poles before every fishing trip I go on, which has been weekly lately.

Randy
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I have some rods rigged with P-Line Floroclear (12 and 15 lb) and a couple with Power Pro 20 lb braid with a P-Line leader. I can't say that I prefer one over the other. This is my first year trying the braid, so the jury is still out for me. I've always liked the P-Line and never had a problem with it.

I tried using a tiny swivel ice fishing last winter and, lo and behold, I could see it on my Vexilar. More importantly, so could the fish! I could see the lake trout swim right up to it and inspect it. I think they were probably small fish, but it told me that the big fish could probably see or sense the presence of the swivel, too, and I got rid of it. I just live with a little line twist.
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[black][size 3]Unless I'm really about the no name knot, don't you end up with two knots in your line?[/size][/black]
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[size 3]The no name knot that I'm familiar with, is used for tying a leader onto a loop in the main line.[/size]
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[size 3]Do I have the wrong no name knot in mind?[/size]
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[size 3]When I tie onto a jig, I either use a uni-knot, or a palomar knot. I have found both of these to be really strong and secure. [/size]
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[size 3]I have attached a picture of the Uni-knot.[/size]
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Everything's mostly right-on here. Use a leader, with a uni-to-uni. With practice, it takes less than 30 seconds. And, the uni-to-uni knot and the blood knot are NOT the same knot. Not even close. The uni is much stronger. Its two knots pulling against one another, not a twisted jam knot as the blood knot is.

And I love P-line for the main line too. Great stuff. As for someone having lots of break offs, that's not the line's fault. Even the worst line in the world shouldn't ever break off if you know the breaking strength of your line and don't exceed it. It is NEVER the line's fault. A break-off is angler error unless the fish takes you around something in the water. In that case, you need to keep 'em out of the obstacle.
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After fishing with Jim last week, I too am making the switch to the system that Jim explained. From my little experience, he is dead on. Jake
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Saber: You're right about the no-name knot for which Mark Sosin is famous. It is for joining a double line to a leader, which is usually heavier than the double line. The double line is usually created with a bimini twist. None of which is necessary in most freshwater.
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][size 2][#002850]I too prefer to use a 100% florocarbon leader between my jig and my braded main line. I've been told that the 100% florocarbon leader is much more dificult for fish to see than non floro. IF that is true, why not use a leader that is the same test strength as your main line? I use to think that useing a leader lighter than my main line would keep breakoffs away from the main line. But then, comon sence told me that it will just break at the knot anyway. So now I use the same lb test for both main and leader.

I use to use a swivel between my main and my floro leader ... but no more. Unless my terminal tackle is a type that is designed to spin, I forgo the swivel. I use to think that I had to have a swivel to help find my jig lure on the sonar. But I found that it is just as easy to know which is me and which isn't without a swivel.[/#002850][/size]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][size 2][#002850]As for connecting dis-similar lines together (like fireline to lead core, braded to florocarbon, super lines to mono, etc) like others have said, I too prefer useing the Double-Uni knot (also known as the Uni-to-Uni or Back-to-Back Uni knot). It gets it reputation from being a great knot for connecting two dis-similar lines ... dis-similar in size or type.

[/#002850][/size][/font][font "Comic Sans MS"][size 2][#002850]1. Lay the two lines side by side with twelve inches overlapping. Form a Uni knot type of circle on the first line

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2. Wrap the first line around the second four or five times, through the loop of course.


3. Pull the tag to engage enough tension to close and hold the wraps in place, not too tight.


4. Create another Uni knot on the second line, just like before.


5. Pull the main lines apart to butt the knots against one another. To tighten harder, pull the tag ends firmly. Clip as you like.
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Here are a few more Web sites that show how to tie it:

[url "http://www.fintalk.com/fishing-knots/double-uni.html"]http://www.fintalk.com/fishing-knots/double-uni.html[/url]

[url "http://www.anglerscenter.com/knot_doubleuni.htm"]http://www.anglerscenter.com/knot_doubleuni.htm[/url]

[url "http://www.thaifishingguide.com/fishtechequip/techniques/knots/double_uni_knot_steps.html"]http://www.thaifishingguide.com/fishtechequip/techniques/knots/double_uni_knot_steps.html[/url] [/#002850][/size][/font][/#002850][/size][/font]
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[#000050]I used to use a uni to uni, but the boys on the tuna and salmon trips have me convinced on the no name......If it will hold those it will hold on panfish......That's my theory and I'm sticking to it......The double line you reference is merely a loop in the line that is heavier, the end of the loop is trimmed, after the knot is cinched.......I'm not sure what your talking about on the bimini twist thing....Use whatever you feel comfortable with.......See this illustration of the one that I tie: [url "http://www.tackletogo.com/nonameknot.html"]www.tackletogo.com/nonameknot.html[/url][/#000050]
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I've been using spiderwire braid since it first became available in the early 1990's. I tie on a barrel swivel using a Palomar knot. Then I tie on my flourocarbon leader using an improved clinch. I use a 4' piece of leader. I like the swivel when vertical jigging (that is what I use 100% of the time with my braided line) because the swivel keeps the tube jig from twisting in circles when jigging it. I tip my jigs with a large piece of cisco and this is what causes the jig to spin slightly on the drop. When dropping down into 100' of water it spins many times on the way to bottom and I think the swivel helps a lot.
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