I know that we had quite the lengthy discussion on this not too long ago regarding a specific biggun at the berry but yesterday while fishing the berry, I landed one that I feel was definitely a cutt-bow. Sorry, no picture (camera batteries are dead). The fish had the spotting and colors of a rainbow but the spots were a litte thicker and the head resembled a cutt. I saw a rainbow caught 30 min previously so I had the rainbow markings fresh in my mind. I have caught countless amounts of cutts from Strawberry and a few rainbows so I am not a novice to this subject. I was just wondering if anyone else has been noticing hybrid's on a more consistent level lately? It seems that some of those sterile bows weren't so sterile, or maybe a few rainbows made it in from another source. Somehow I think there are some active rainbows having tons of fun with those cutts. What do you all think?
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Were there cutthroat slash marks ?
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There were definitely the jaw slask markings and they were very pronounced. The bidy was rainbowish but the head looked cutt-like and the spots were too large for a bow even though they were smaller and more uniform than those of a cutt.
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[font "High Tower Text"][#500050][size 4][shocked] Read FishNCoach post-- There was a Bow caught that looked like it was half and half, so we though it back just in case, THE LAW o-well it was 22"[/size][/#500050][/font]
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Most of the rainbows stocked in Utah possess some level of hybridization. It is not uncommon at all for rainbows to possess characteristics similar to cutthroat...my guess is that you caught a sterile rainbow.
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Until Smith's, Albertsons, Wal-Mart or any other grocery store starts paying money(like a pawn shop)............preferably more money for these "Cutt-Bows" than I dont think it should really matter if someone caught a cutt-bow, rainbow, cutthroat, roatcutt, bowcuttrain or whatever the hell else is lurking these waters. I dont mean to sound harsh with these comments but we should just be glad we can hook up with such a nice looking fish and not waste our brain cells (that are left to waste) on what kind of TROUT it is!!!
TS
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Why would you post such a comment - some of us have extra brain cells to enjoy the workings of mother nature and to increase our understanding of different trout species. If you don't have the extra brain cells, why did you even post? Don't worry about me, I let the fish go and cast for the next one within 10 seconds. Some of us have a sincere interest in not just catching fish but coming to a better understanding of what we are catching. And with the rules at the berry being the way they are, it is important to know what you are catching. It is hard for me to see any substantive point to your post - if there is one, I apologize.
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I feel you troutslayer.
This thing about the hybrids is kinda dumb. All the damn fish in Strawberry look the same so lets just call them all fish and quit worrying about it. No one is ever going to solve the mighty Strawberry mystery.
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Why do you have to "worry" about it - why not enjoy trying to understand a species that most of us enjoy catching. My post wasn't a complaint, it was an inquiry - if you have somethig useful to add to my question, please comment. If you don't want to waste your time, brain cells, or worries on this subject, don't feel like you have to post.
I see why people get all frustrated with this forum - some people feel that they have to post useless comments when they should just refrain from saying anything.
This is an honest inquiry - any of you noticing that you are catching more fish with very pronounced cutt and bow markings at Strawberry? Just wondering if a whole batch of unsterilized bows made it in.
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If you have any doubt if it is a bow , it most likely is a cutt . I wouldn't call any of them cutt/bows .
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I have had several conversations about different types of hybrids with a guy who raises fish for a living. According to him there are so many strains of cutts and bows that to really tell a hybrid from a pure strain would almost take dna testing. There are tell tell ways to distinguish a cutbow from a rainbow (other than jaw markings and spots). I don't remember specifics but I will probably see him this weekend. I will see if he has any documentation that will help.
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That would be great. I was sure it was a rainbow with the spotting pattern until I noticed a very pronounced jaw slash, larger spots than usual for a bow and the head shape. If only DNA testing wasn't so darn expensive.[
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Thanks for your posts Jacksonman. This site is for inquiring about ALL aspects of our favorite hobby, and I appreciate all intelligent discussions in here.
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[url "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonneville_Cutthroat_Trout"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonneville_Cutthroat_Trout[/url]
this is a nice peice of reading off the wikipedia site. i googled the difference between cuts and bows...spelled out of course (even though it took most of my remaining brain cells) and hit the go button. apparently one huge fast tell to what species it is happens to be the presence of teeth at the back of the throat behind the tounge and between the gill arches.....thats a cutty. I am still reading to find any tell tale signs of the hybridization of the two species. hope the info helps... if you want other fish than trout you can look up walleyes and perch too.... if trout bore you. personally, i want to be an ichthyologist (fish biologist) but i settled for a nuclear physicist for now, i can always go back to school. but ALL types of fish and the difference between the species in the family facinate me. so boo to the nay sayers, let the knowledge be known, discovered, and discussed.
just my 2 pennies worth. or is it i am worth 2 pennies. either way, its 2 pennies.
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I for one have an inquiring mind and I still have enough brain cells to remember a discussion not so long ago that focused on the fins along the belly of the fish. If they have a orange tint to them they are a cut - period. If the fins are clear with no apparent orange tint to them, then it maybe and probably is a rainbow, even if it has a orange slash. Many rainbow hybrids have a hint of orange slash under the mouth.
Hold on a minute, I was getting a headache using so many brain cells, OK I am better now.
Anyway, a certain biologist told us at the berry that the fins are one of the best ways to tell.
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Fin color is just about the best way but will not always work . Bows will have a hint of pink but sometimes red like my [url "http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f334/Hellsangler69/HPIM0862.jpg"]Bow[/url] with the white edge .
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Hey I remember that picture! I took it! Great Bow!!!
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If there is are the orange slashes and any dots on the head it is a mix of some kind. Pure rainbows do not have dots ahead of the gill plates.
Windriver
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I met with the guy who raises fish and a fish bio. on sunday. The both of them agreed that the best way to tell a rainbow from a cut/cutbow are the hyoid teeth. Cutthroat are the only fish that have these. Rainbow and rainbow cross do not have them. The teeth can be hard to see. You may have to stick your finger in the fishes mouth and feel for them on the back of the
. Bottom line. I hope this helps.
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