07-04-2008, 12:34 AM
07-04-2008, 01:11 AM
No but if any show up the fish & game might come looking for you [:/] it's not a good idea to even suggest it.
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07-04-2008, 02:04 AM
just curious why you think they shouldent? the larger bass would be fine, they wall eye would help control the bluegill populations, they would establish a forage base off of them. im no biologist, and the last time i fished there i sat in my poontoon boat and drink beer until i felt it was unsafe being on the water then just sat on the shore waiting for TS. the lake seems deep enough, yea it might warm up during the summer but spring and fall would have amazing turn arounds
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07-04-2008, 02:09 AM
sure why not? other than there is allredy plenty of fish in there right? lol [sly]
walleye are not the best fish for utah's water.. for the most part trout bass and other fish do much better when there are not walleye in the lake.. ut lake yuba starvation and the rest there are plenty of walleye lakes.. BTW if ya realy want to catch a lot of eye's head down to lake powell there are a ton of them in there and easy to catch...
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walleye are not the best fish for utah's water.. for the most part trout bass and other fish do much better when there are not walleye in the lake.. ut lake yuba starvation and the rest there are plenty of walleye lakes.. BTW if ya realy want to catch a lot of eye's head down to lake powell there are a ton of them in there and easy to catch...
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07-04-2008, 12:29 PM
[cool][#0000ff]A much better lake for northern pike...for a few years...until that was all that remained in the lake.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Mantua does fine with largemouth as the top predator.[/#0000ff]
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07-04-2008, 01:53 PM
do you think they should be in there ??
I have no idea, I've never fished it, never even been by it, I don't even know where it is. with bluegill as the forge fish that makes things interesting. I think every lake should have bluegills in it as forge. why ? because once a bluegill reaches 10/12in. it's going to take a big fish to eat him. but with perch, they are long and slinder and a small fish could eat a 12\14in. perch with no problem.
just my 2 $. later chuck
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I have no idea, I've never fished it, never even been by it, I don't even know where it is. with bluegill as the forge fish that makes things interesting. I think every lake should have bluegills in it as forge. why ? because once a bluegill reaches 10/12in. it's going to take a big fish to eat him. but with perch, they are long and slinder and a small fish could eat a 12\14in. perch with no problem.
just my 2 $. later chuck
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07-04-2008, 02:04 PM
Mantua also has a pretty good perch population thaks to the bucket bio's
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07-04-2008, 08:08 PM
HELL NO !!
Please leave the stocking to the DWR. They really do know what they are doing.
Please leave the stocking to the DWR. They really do know what they are doing.
07-04-2008, 08:28 PM
I say no! I fished mantua for the first time last week. I would have to say its nice to have such a great lake with an abundance of bluegill. Besides, I would hate to see more lakes with the trends Yuba and Deercreek has seen.
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07-04-2008, 09:26 PM
Plant more eyes in yuba before it crashes!!!
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07-04-2008, 10:58 PM
Stop the planting. All of it. Introducing new species to an already strugguling lake or any other is not a good idea. Between, milfoil, bucket bio's and those who supposedly know what they are doing, things are plenty messed up at Mantua.
If any planting of non native species is done, it should only be a steril crossbreed. Like the tiger muskie, Wipers, Tiger trout and Splake.
That's what I say.
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If any planting of non native species is done, it should only be a steril crossbreed. Like the tiger muskie, Wipers, Tiger trout and Splake.
That's what I say.
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07-05-2008, 04:34 AM
Walleye will over take any lake in this state and eat every thing, then starve...
And its just too small of a lake...
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And its just too small of a lake...
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07-05-2008, 11:39 AM
They may know what they are doing. Sometimes. But it takes them so long to actually get around to doing it, a lake can crash before they make a decision.
Someone illegally planted Perch in Jordanelle. Now it's a world class Smallmouth fishery. Someone illegally planted Perch in Starvation, and the Walleye are finally getting bigger. In both cases, the DWR had plenty of time to do something. Starvation was in trouble for years and the DWR did nothing. I could give at least ten more examples of inaction by the DWR, but I gotta go to Yuba. I'm late.
They do an incredible job on some lakes and can't develop a plan on others.
That being said, nobody should be playing god and planting fish where they aren't already established.
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Someone illegally planted Perch in Jordanelle. Now it's a world class Smallmouth fishery. Someone illegally planted Perch in Starvation, and the Walleye are finally getting bigger. In both cases, the DWR had plenty of time to do something. Starvation was in trouble for years and the DWR did nothing. I could give at least ten more examples of inaction by the DWR, but I gotta go to Yuba. I'm late.
They do an incredible job on some lakes and can't develop a plan on others.
That being said, nobody should be playing god and planting fish where they aren't already established.
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07-05-2008, 01:24 PM
What about holmes creek, there are walleye in there and have not effected the fishery at all! For you to say they will take over every fishery, eat everything and starve is incorrect
] Besides bass are trash fish anyway....[sly] (just to throw some fuel on the fire)[shocked]
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] Besides bass are trash fish anyway....[sly] (just to throw some fuel on the fire)[shocked]FF462
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07-05-2008, 05:02 PM
[cool][#0000ff]Holmes Creek is not a good example. Walleye were BBed (Bucket Biology) in there many years ago. They do not have a spawning tributary or much suitable shoreline for spawning, so they do not reproduce well. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I suspect it would be the same with Mantua. There is at least one suitable spawning creek, but not the deep open habitat they prefer. A few would survive in Mantua, but I doubt they would reproduce quickly.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I suspect it would be the same with Mantua. There is at least one suitable spawning creek, but not the deep open habitat they prefer. A few would survive in Mantua, but I doubt they would reproduce quickly.[/#0000ff]
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07-06-2008, 04:41 AM
"Walleye will over take any lake in this state and eat every thing, then starve.."
Except Willard that is
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07-06-2008, 06:31 AM
The idea of having a "couple of species" lake is insane more often than not.Thou there are some small pot holes where it might not be productive. All the good waters have a diverse population of fish and they feed and cycle off each other. Look at all the "untouched by man" lakes in the Canadian provinces, Northwest, and Midwest. They have more species per lake than Colorado or Utah for example have in the whole State. Nature gave us all the answers to the test on what to do to make a healthy fishery.
Some Bio's like to play "God" and have complete control. Natural reproduction is the way to go stocked or not. The species will take care of itself if it is unfit.
Powell and other impoundments that have a diverse fishery have proven this. Nature knows better than any "man" "thinks" he does.
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Some Bio's like to play "God" and have complete control. Natural reproduction is the way to go stocked or not. The species will take care of itself if it is unfit.
Powell and other impoundments that have a diverse fishery have proven this. Nature knows better than any "man" "thinks" he does.
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07-06-2008, 02:54 PM
wish you could lern as an old dog cliff. low water kills 100 times as many prey fish as the walleyes do. but when that water is down the eyes gorge on the prey out of cover. the eggs of some bait fish attatch to weeds and sticks. fish come in spawn and leave. if water levle stays up many fry in water soon. if it drops before they hatch. what do you think happend to a whole yr class. the walleye just ate them all. come on. snd how many bass are stunted in dc is that the walleyes fault to. blame drout. for we do live in a freaking desert! i have 1 question why dont the lakes in other states with eyes crash? i bet you know something about bass but about nature. you are whearing blinders like a trout guy. look at salmon falls never crashes look at boysen never crashes look any other walleye water in a state that has water and show me boom and bust. walleyes hsould stay where we have them now. i would like to see them in fg if the burbot do the damaged they think they will. thats a fish id worry moore about moving about than walleyes. these thing eat like a machine. anything. bass and dads are prefrence but they also have been caught on spawning beds of lakers and koke. when they are pulled up the burp buckets of eggs out. this aint good for fg. cliff read something do a google heck stay home lern something you deserve it. its always easy to blame a person or a thing for a bad thing. its alot harder to find the truth. lesson 1 revisted fpr the 10.000th time.
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07-06-2008, 05:22 PM
"Stop the planting. All of it. Introducing new species to an already strugguling lake or any other is not a good idea. Between, milfoil, bucket bio's and those who supposedly know what they are doing, things are plenty messed up at Mantua.
If any planting of non native species is done, it should only be a steril crossbreed. Like the tiger muskie, Wipers, Tiger trout and Splake.
That's what I say. "
[#280050]I agree 100%. I wish the DWR would make it mandatory to kill any species of fish harvested, that were illegally planted. This would apply to most perch and bluegill.[/#280050]
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If any planting of non native species is done, it should only be a steril crossbreed. Like the tiger muskie, Wipers, Tiger trout and Splake.
That's what I say. "
[#280050]I agree 100%. I wish the DWR would make it mandatory to kill any species of fish harvested, that were illegally planted. This would apply to most perch and bluegill.[/#280050]
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07-06-2008, 06:29 PM
i dont mind if they kill all the walleyes in any body where ther bucket bios have them now. i think it should be that way for all bucket plantings of all kinds of fish. just as many bass have moved as eyes and prey fish. but if things go outa wack somewhere the tiger musky is a good one to klean up a mess fast. i just wish the dwr would do moore for bait fish. not the preditors. the dwr knew at starvation the chubs yr classes were missing for many yrs. why didnt they spend a litle time at some places like the berry and move chubs when they spawned in the creeks up the road. why didnt they shift a trout farm to a chub farm for a few yrs. illegal plants are destructive. and innaction from goverment ressources is what we get here in utah. live with it cause its how it is. [fishin]
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