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Wonder if anyone has experience they care to share with these:

http://www.emmrodnorthwest.com/

Movies show how to use, seem sort of cool for very special tight quarter situations like tubes. Not an endorsement, remove this post if verboten.

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[cool][#0000ff]Just something else to catch fishermen...not fish. You can catch fish on a handline or a cane pole. That rod would not help you catch any more fish, and it is NOT a good design for float tubes. When sitting low on the water a LONGER rod is more beneficial for making longer casts and having better line control.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]To me, a big part of fishing enjoyment is making accurate casts and then carefully working my lure until I feel the strike. Then there is the challenge to set the hook and play the fish successfully to the net. I can't imagine how much fishing enjoyment I might sacrifice by using one of these NOVELTY rods. The name should be NIMROD...not EMMROD.[/#0000ff]
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Pretty cool. Definitely a back packer. No way to break it. Small, I like that spring idea.
I wish there was a better picture of the FLY set up. I click on the picture to enlarge and the spinning comes up.
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TD, seems hard to believe that such a short rod could be rated for a 50# fish. You may be right about the action sensitivity- could be like pulling line in by hand. Using the spring to shoot out a lure where you can't use wide swings to cast seems a plus- if it really works. Sort of expensive for the rod unit, but the snap in spring rods are reasonable.

Goddess, if you go to fishing poles and add the fly rod to cart, there is a place to click for a larger picture.

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[quote flygoddess]Pretty cool. Definitely a back packer. No way to break it. Small, I like that spring idea.
I wish there was a better picture of the FLY set up. I click on the picture to enlarge and the spinning comes up.[/quote]
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but I click on larger picture and the spinner comes up...oh well...kinda cool!
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I can't believe as a serious fisher you of all people, FG, would say that this gimmick is "kinda cool"! It's right up there with the pen rod, rocket launcher toy fishing rig, Popeil Pocket Fisherman, and the RC Heli fishing rig.

Even the Tenkara fishing system beats this mattress spring special!

I'll bet this guy can cast as well with his "rod" as with the squiggle stick!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0fES1sfBRE

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I had to laugh after going back and looking in the photo gallery. Why would anyone seriously go offshore fishing or driftboat fishing or anything other than maybe combat fishing for survival behind enemy lines with such a contraption?

Goofy...

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A buddy of mine had one almost like that. Yep Tubedude said it right, too short and his did fly off his hand and went "kurplunk" into the lake...
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[quote SHigSpeed]I can't believe as a serious fisher you of all people, FG, would say that this gimmick is "kinda cool"! It's right up there with the pen rod, rocket launcher toy fishing rig, Popeil Pocket Fisherman, and the RC Heli fishing rig.

Even the Tenkara fishing system beats this mattress spring special!

I'll bet this guy can cast as well with his "rod" as with the squiggle stick!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0fES1sfBRE

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I don't judge things just cause they are different. I have never tried one and who knows...this might cast great. No one here knows.
It is a cool idea... I don't see it as a gimmick. Just like the Pocket Popeil fishing pole. Another Gimmick that probably sold millions.
No different than trying to use a Crappie Pole like a Tenkara.
People make things for different applications, some better than others.
Did I mention the 5'3" fly rod I have?

I never said I would buy one, but just it is a cool idea.


As far as this contraption, how about Dad taking the kids...this pole looks pretty unbreakable.
I agree in a drift boat ON a river, casting is a big deal, but from a float tube or toon on stillwater, casting is not a big deal.

As far as casting the line. Seen Lefty, Jack Dennis even done it myself. First thing you should learn when casting. The rod is an extension of your arm.

GIMMICK? I guess that is all in how you look at it.
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let me interject a question here.. mainly as devils advocate.. but..

if it were not for people like this guy.... thinking outside of the box where would fishing of any type be.. would we still be using only a lenght of cane with a line and hooked tied to the end of it.. hell when I was a kid I used a car antenna with line and hook tied to it on a small pond and caught small sun fish.. the first real rod and reel my dad bought me was a zebco rig.. it was awesome.. I could actually throw the line a distance and see what was beyond the length of my arm..

in the area of fly fishing.. without innovation and builders thinking outside the box we would not have the rods and reels that we have now.. its grown from a bamboo rod.. to glass.. to composites.. to a wide range of rods depending on what type of fishing and conditions one is fishing.. we have regular rods.. we have spey rods.. we have switch rods etc.. and its not only what the rod is mad of and for but we have tip flex, mid flex, full flex.. all depending on the anglers way of fishing and what feels best in their hand..

so to shut down someones innovation based on what it looks like seems kind of closed minded to me.. have you held one.. seen one.. ??? I know I havent... so why pass judgement on it without having at least held it and tested it???

innovation is the name of the game in any business.. is this rod going to end up being the next great thing ... I dont know.. but who knows what the future brings??

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I don't judge things just cause they are different. I have never tried one and who knows...this might cast great. No one here knows.
It is a cool idea... I don't see it as a gimmick. Just like the Pocket Popeil fishing pole. Another Gimmick that probably sold millions.
No different than trying to use a Crappie Pole like a Tenkara.
People make things for different applications, some better than others.
Did I mention the 5'3" fly rod I have?

I never said I would buy one, but just it is a cool idea.


As far as this contraption, how about Dad taking the kids...this pole looks pretty unbreakable.
I agree in a drift boat ON a river, casting is a big deal, but from a float tube or toon on stillwater, casting is not a big deal.

As far as casting the line. Seen Lefty, Jack Dennis even done it myself. First thing you should learn when casting. The rod is an extension of your arm.

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I don't judge based on things being different. I judge things when they're made different for the sake of being different. I don't begrudge a person for trying to make a buck or build a better mousetrap, but I find it hard to believe that anyone finds this to be even close to as good as any mousetrap currently available.

There's a brochure pic on the site that shows a guy with a 20" trout by the gills holding one of these rods with the spring rod installed upside down, an ABU Ambaseur baitcast reel, gold Stren, and a 3" chartreuse deep diving crankbait on the line. Really? These guys are trying to be taken seriously? Backlashes must be a nightmare... And they call them "poles"? They claim that their fly pole has a casting zone of 50 to 60 feet using a weight forward line and your favorite fly. Good luck mending with that, or staying tight to a fish as it charges at you while you strip furiously and gain all of 4 feet on it as you tumble backward with that stump!

I'd LOVE to see some of those wacky Japanese topwater bass guys go to town with these and pose for photos afterwards. That'd be a hoot.

You can go to WalMart and get a spincast outfit built on a solid glass rod which would be nearly as indestructible as these springs for $15 including a box of gear. Their cheapest spincast combo is $60? A kid could bust a lot of Spiderman combos before getting that dear. There's no way an 14" coathanger is going to cast with any finesse, distance, or accuracy.


A 5'3" fly rod? I'm down with that. Especially a nice 0 or 00 weight for chuckin' size 26 midge dries to goldens at 10,000' in a gin clear trickle. I actually fished "Tenkara" style in Japan as a kid with my uncle for Ayu (small river salmonids), though instead of a fly I had an indicator (bobber) and a single maggot on what must've been a size 20 hook. That was fun. I'd bet for similarly small fish it'd slay 'em Czech style fishing.

I guess it's whatever floats your boat, but you won't find me suggesting to anyone I want to stay on friendly terms with this system. I'm an engineer, I appreciate form following function. I just can't imagine this being "the right tool" for ANY situation, and further can't imagine it being more enjoyable or effective than a traditional setup.

Now, if you guys want to take up a collection and buy me one to try, I do hereby solemnly swear to test it in good faith and report back with an unbiased review.

I take Paypal!

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And they say fly fishers are snobs[]
By the way, that 5'3" is a 4/5 but does good with a 6 as well.
We all know you are an engineer, but I had no idea you worked on these kind of things.
You would know.
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[quote flygoddess]And they say fly fishers are snobs[]
By the way, that 5'3" is a 4/5 but does good with a 6 as well.
We all know you are an engineer, but I had no idea you worked on these kind of things.
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Clearly fly fishing engineers are the worst kind of snob! :^)

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Okay, you used a long POLE and line attached to the end with a bubble and live bait and this is Tenkara style?

What if these rods are not the flexible? I mean I fish full flex and bamboo.
I get what you are saying about the fish charging, but that is a challenge on any rod. A large Arbor would help.

Looking at the list they built this rod around, I don't see it as a gimmick. And they even have different flex stainless steel.

Again, the price is way out there, I will give you that, but if it worked...I don't know.

Heay I am on another forum talking about Shark Skin. Is it worth the $100.?
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I don't think this thing is meant to be compared side to side with really fine fishing gear. There is a definite "dorky" factor involved, but then, most of the population in my area thinks tubes and toons are dorky period. They would buy a kayak instead just to avoid the stares and harassing comments, not knowing what they're missing. Check out some of TD's stories in the archives involving people in "real" boats, and even shore fishermen. "What the hell is that thing" is my most frequent question around here.

What would you use, if you had to have a very short pack rod? How does this "nimrod" stack up to the pocket fisherman, telescoping, 6 piece, etc. would seem to be the question?

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[quote pontoonman]What would you use, if you had to have a very short pack rod? How does this "nimrod" stack up to the pocket fisherman, telescoping, 6 piece, etc. would seem to be the question?

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Okay, by "pack", what are your priorities? Weight? Volume? Longest dimension broken down?

I did a quick calc: Assuming the steel is about 0.2" in diameter (and I'll bet it's fatter), and if you uncoiled the thing to about 30", the pole section would weigh just over 4 ounces, the total weight of a decent 5 weight 9' fly rod. A really good one would weigh closer to 3. Add the bulky, heavy trigger handle and I'd guess double that. That's just weight.

The Emmrods look to break down to about 16" long or so. A 6 piece rod with 16" sections would be 8' long. Shorter would be fine for spin fishing right?

Pocket fisherman - c'mon, that thing is a toy.

Telescoping: It can work. Not the fastest action or lightest or most sensitive, but at least you can get out to 5 feet or more. I just can't understand anyone choosing a rod shorter than 4'6" or so unless you're ice fishing.

If you're set on a 3 foot pack rod, I'll build you a kick ass 2 piece graphite rod using the top two sections of a quality blank. It'll cost less than the Emmrod, and weigh about a third or less than it.

Back in my gear days, my favorite trout rod was a one piece 5' rod with a straight cork handle and slip rings. If I were to build another now, I may go with a 2 piece 4'6" or 5". Those little rods will fish under 99.9% or normal conditions for light trout. Anything shorter (except for ice) is silly IMNSHO.

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If you're set on a 3 foot pack rod, I'll build you a kick ass 2 piece graphite rod using the top two sections of a quality blank. It'll cost less than the Emmrod, and weigh about a third or less than it.


You being an engineer....think that is a good idea? Taper?

Yea the Pocket fisherman was a toy and he laughed all the way to the bank.
Had a friend that had one...trust me, he could cast more than 5'.

These spring rods don't look to be effective fly rods, but the masses here are NOT die hard fly fishers.
I would say 99% of them switch to suit their needs.
Even sticking that little chunk of worm or putting stink can discredit calling it Fly Fishing.

So, as a spinning outfit, I again, don't see the big deal. How many can cast a lure over 5' with an ice rod...I bet they can come close to 30' or better.
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[quote flygoddess]If you're set on a 3 foot pack rod, I'll build you a kick ass 2 piece graphite rod using the top two sections of a quality blank. It'll cost less than the Emmrod, and weigh about a third or less than it.


You being an engineer....think that is a good idea?  Taper?

Yea the Pocket fisherman was a toy and he laughed all the way to the bank.
Had a friend that had one...trust me, he could cast more than 5'.

These spring rods don't look to be effective fly rods, but the masses here are NOT die hard fly fishers.
I would say 99% of them switch to suit their needs.
Even sticking that little chunk of worm or putting stink can discredit calling it Fly Fishing.

So, as a spinning outfit, I again, don't see the big deal.  How many can cast a lure over 5' with an ice rod...I bet they can come close to 30' or better.[/quote]

So you agree taper is important?  If those spring rods were graphite, for the sake of casting they'd have a reverse taper.  Skinny or thin walled near the grip and fat and thick walled from there with no taper all the way to the tip.  

As for casting distance, it's similar to comparing throwing a baseball or throwing it using a lacrosse stick.  How hard do you want to work?  Assuming a rigid rod the tip speed and therefore casting impulse of a rod is directly proportional to the length.  A 6 foot broomstick will have 4 TIMES the casting velocity of an 18" one with the SAME SWING SPEED.  Add into this equation a properly designed system that loads the rod for casting a window of weights and your efficiency goes way up.  Sure you can get workable distance with a Pocket Fisherman or an Emmrod, but how much do you like your rotator cuffs?  Good luck throwing a 1/64 oz jig or weightless Size 0 needlefish any distance with Emm or Ron.  Popeil suceeded because he was a master marketer.  He talked men into thinking that painting their bald spots was a good alternative to toupees.  I begged and pleaded for my mom to buy me the in-the-shell egg scrambler.

At least my proposed stubby rod would have a relatvely progressive taper and better loading characteristics rather than a semi-flexible hinged stick.  The top two sections of a super fast 6 weight 6 piece pack blank would probably work decent and orders of magnitude better than the Emm.

I still haven't seen anyone propose a situation where this system is cheaper or more effective or more enjoyable than any number of available alternatives out there. 

Maybe if you want to fish for blind cave trout while spelunking in the caverns of Belize, but certainly not for tubing.

Anyone?

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By taking the TOP two sections of say a Mid flex..or as you said fast action you are only getting HALF the taper and HALF the intended action. Not a good thing. Just like these jokers that get an old CHEAP 9' bamboo, take the top two sections and call it a Banty...it sucks! Now that is a waste of money.

Now Pontoonman posted a question on a rod that he thought interesting and you have gone out of your way to be boarderline calling anyone interested in the idea an idiot. Not gonna happen here

Noted, you don't care for it.

Tube Dudes comment on "catching fishermen" is how he feels.

I don't know how these feel or work, no one here does, and I am leaving it at...interesting idea.
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Oh and everything that Ronny P Marketed, DID exactly what it was advertised to do...[]
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