I am sure this has been debated and I missed it as I do not spend very much time on the PC anymore, however Kevin and I were talking about Yuba and he mentioned that he had heard the limit on Perch and changed. So I was looking in the 2010 proc and see that Yuba is back to the State wide limit. Is this true? And if so it figures as it seams they have crashed down there .. heheh
Thanks all maybe I will see ya on the Ice soon.
Matt
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as of jan 1.... there will be a state wide limit of 50 perch..on any ginivn body of water. from what i heard anyways........
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50 perch limit and no longer does one need to keep all perch caught during the winter months.
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Any word on the ice conditions at Yuba? I think it's a little early for there. When does it usually freeze up?
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Drove by Yuba yesterday, the lake is completely capped, I did not check ice thickness though, My question to everyone is, is Yuba a dead lake as far as fishing this year. Fall was terrible, millions of dead fry perch, tons and tons of carp, Is it worth fishing!!!!
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It will be interesting to find out. I will try it for sure as soon as the ice is thick enough for snowmobiles. I don't think it will be near as good as last winter, I hope the perch will still be decent in size.
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[cool][#0000ff]That lake treated EVERYBODY badly...perchwise. I consider myself to be a pretty good perch jerker but only got 5 perch in 3 trips this last year. That included 2 puny 10 inchers on my last trip in the fall, when I normally sort through a bunch to keep a limit of 13 inchers.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I have already written Yuba off until the next cycle. Still lots of big bodacious pike and far too many carp. But the perch and walleyes are MIA.[/#0000ff]
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i totally agree with you TD, I won't waste the gas to get there this ice season, I believe it is a waste of time.
Unless you love carp meet!!
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I think I will second the Yuba is on the bottom of the cycle. Is there any hope to try and save the lake form the carp or is it going to become another Utah Lake. And what there were Walleye in that lake are you sure. I think it was a government conspiracy. Up there with Area 51 and that man actually landed on the moon.
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[quote Majja]I think I will second the Yuba is on the bottom of the cycle. Is there any hope to try and save the lake form the carp or is it going to become another Utah Lake. And what there were Walleye in that lake are you sure. I think it was a government conspiracy. Up there with Area 51 and that man actually landed on the moon.
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[cool][#0000ff]There are still walleyes showing up in DWR netting surveys...and they are fat. Plenty of small perch and baby carplets to eat. That's why they are so difficult to catch by anglers. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Possibly the main two reasons why the walleyes aren't more numerous are at each end of the food chain. Carp slurp up walleye eggs and fry. Big pike LOVE walleye in larger sizes. In most waters walleye and pike coexist as top predators. In Yuba the pestiferous carp tip the balance by eliminating a high percentage of the young walleyes before they have a chance to become predators on the carp. Preemptive strike.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I hope that I (and others) am wrong about Yuba. I have been wrong before about lots of things. But the indicators are there. If someone starts hauling large numbers of jumbo perch through the ice I will be happy to admit that I was wrong. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]We shall see. I await with bait on my breath...or however that goes.[/#0000ff]
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didn't they just poison yuba a couple years ago or three to kill all the carp? or were they doing something else.
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[cool][#0000ff]In 2003, at the end of a prolonged drought, the water level was already very low. So, in order to complete some necessary work on the dam they drained the rest of the lake for a long time. It was just a few puddles. Wiped out just about everything but the carp.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]A few walleye and northern pike survived upstream in the Sevier River. A ton of carp survived. They can survive a direct nuclear strike. There were also a bunch of them that washed down from Gunnison. That happens every year. Yuba gets a fresh new supply of carp to help boost the already horrible population.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]There has never been a carp eradication plan for Yuba. DWR has neither the funds or the interest in doing anything about it. The water users own the lake and DWR does not even have a "minimum pool" concession in place. The water users could legally drain the lake every year if they wanted to. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]DWR does the best they can to try to manage the lake as a fishery, but it is hard to manage the unmanageable. It continues to go through cycles that seem to take about 10 years to complete. There are brief periods of abundance, when anglers can catch lots of fish and some large fish. Then a combination of drought and draining by the water users puts a hitch in the ecology and it gets out of balance. Not enough food for the predators and everything crashes.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]We live in a desert state and every lake is subject to the variables in winter snowpack. We are lucky to get any fishing but most of the reservoirs stay high enough to provide some fishing even in the worst years. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Yuba is just a long narrow flat bottomed channel with little or no structure and not many nutrients for the food chain. High water years puts the water up into the previous year's weeds and brush. That allows perch to have a good spawn with more survival for the young. Then all of the predators eat well for the next year. One of two years of low water during spawn time and the eggs and fry are open to marauding carp first and then adult perch and walleye later. By the end of the summer there are not enough small perch left to sustain the fish over the winter months and the crash begins.[/#0000ff]
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