ive heard from several anglers that yuba as fisherie in general will be all but done in a few years. the pike that were illegally introduced (was told that) are eating the lake out of house and home [:/]. i thought with carp being in there, there would always be something to munch on for the razormouths. Maybe its hotair trying to keep me off the lake lol. Any thoughts?
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if i recall correctly (please say if im worng) TD said yuba has a roller coaster effect every few years... some its great, some it almost crashes. did pike cause this? i thought yuba was a trophy pike lake?
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Pike will eat perch,walleye,catfish,ducks and most of all carp!! The lake is overun with carp so do you really think that the pike will eat all the carp out of the lake i dont think so .They will thrive as long as there is plenty of carp to eat.Pike dont discriminate on the size of food they eat.
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[quote johnboy83]
the pike that were illegally introduced (was told that)
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Northern Pike were not illegally introduced into Yuba. They were legally planted in Redmond Reservoir and the water from Redmond Reservoir flows into Yuba.
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Some peoples lack of knowledge
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With the DWR advocating the killing of the pike, the overall size of the fish has started to decline, or at least from my observations.
With the exception of very sparse perch fishing, pike are about all that remain for sportsfish. Without some type of protection for the pike, that fishery will be gone soon.
The DWR has been studying the situation there and hopefully, will look outside of the box for a new management plan that will be successful. It is a complex problem with no easy solutions. It will take political will, money, brains and the cooperation of various agencies, but with Drew Cushing at the helm, perhaps something will happen. I'm afraid for the short term, even the pike fishery is about done. Too little to late for the pike, but hopefully, a sound management plan will come out of their endeavors and the cycle will stop and Yuba will be a productive fishery.
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+1 to Slayer... Last year we were there about this time and this guy had one bleeding on a stringer in the shallows. He said, "I aing gonna eat it but the DWR says we need to kill all of these" What a joke. I understand all the water issues with Yuba but killing off all the Pike wont help. I sure hope they dont gill net a bunch more during their spawn again this year.
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The DWR is gill netting the pike during the spawn?
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[quote THESLAYER]Some peoples lack of knowledge[/quote]
We're all stupd, just on different subjects.
--Mark Twain
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They did last year. Set up gill nets along the shallow shelves they spawn around. There are pics of big females that were killed there.
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Come on guys. When will you figure out that fish like walleye and pike are just plain bad in Utah reservoirs? How many times does Yuba have to crash before you'll all figure that out?? Can't see the forest 'cause the trees are in the way?
You're apex predator is reproducing, and reproducing, and reproducing out of control. There is nothing to slow them down. They will eventually eat themselves out of house and home. And you guys want them protected?
Good lord! Go and harvest some of those pike. It certainly isn't going to hurt the fishery.
the gill netting pre-spawn isn't a big deal either. The majority of those fish aren't killed (obviously a handful will die). The nets are only set for an hour or so (vs. overnight).
Slayer said it best.
[quote THESLAYER]Some peoples lack of knowledge[/quote]
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If the pike were reproducing and reproducing out of control, why arent we catching a bunch of stunted hammer handles?? And why are these apex predators not demolishing the carp??
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Trying the same solution over and over again and expecting a different outcome is ridiculous. The DWR has NO plan for Yuba except more of the same failed Trout Fantasies. Yuba is a shallow warm water fishery.
You should try to enjoy the fine Northern Pike habitat the last failed Plan Provided.
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[quote Weekend_Warrior]If the pike were reproducing and reproducing out of control, why arent we catching a bunch of stunted hammer handles?? [/quote]
don't worry. You will. Just look at the history of the lake, and you'll see that boom and bust cycles dominate the history of the lake. It's inevitable. There is no reason to "protect" those pike. Especially considering how many people are actually fishing for them (and catching them).
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[quote Dog-lover]
Trying the same solution over and over again and expecting a different outcome is ridiculous. The DWR has NO plan for Yuba except more of the same failed Trout Fantasies. Yuba is a shallow warm water fishery.
You should try to enjoy the fine Northern Pike habitat the last failed Plan Provided.
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Curious if you have any suggestions that they can try and also get the feds to sign off on?
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Northern, Walleye, Perch with some water management that keeps the place from drying up.
Or realizing the Bust cycle that low water brings on and Opening the place up to the taking of fish when they are at a Boom like the last perch Boom that No one benefitted from..
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[quote Dog-lover]Trying the same solution over and over again and expecting a different outcome is ridiculous. The DWR has NO plan for Yuba except more of the same failed Trout Fantasies. [/quote]
Trout fantasies? How do you figure? You mean all the perch transplants and habitat improvements to attempt to create a place where perch could maybe keep up with the non-native, non-controllable walleye and pike?? (doesn't sound very "troutish" to me).
But, carry on. Even though the DWR has tried to keep species like walleye and pike out, and anglers continue to want these garbage species, we can still blame it all on the DWR. They're a good scape-goat.
I'm with kent -- what suggestions do you have? Keep in mind, the DWR has NO control over water at Yuba.
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[quote Dog-lover]Northern, Walleye, Perch with some water management that keeps the place from drying up. [/quote]
Water management is completely out of the DWR's control. You'll have to get with the water users to do something there. Good luck.
[quote Dog-lover]Or realizing the Bust cycle that low water brings on and Opening the place up to the taking of fish when they are at a Boom like the last perch Boom that No one benefitted from.. [/quote]
realizing the boom and bust cycles? I think the DWR knows all too much about the boom bust at Yuba. In most cases, the DWR does open up limits when water is an issue and possible loss of fish is a concern. However, the perch situation at Yuba was far from a concern of losing fish. Remember, the perch were being protected so that the walleye/pike population would have something to eat -- something the anglers asked for! Of course, things changed, and the anglers immediately wanted to abandon the very protection they asked for in the first place. Typical. Anglers want their cake and want to eat it too!
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Throw some June Suckers in, Yuba will be overflowing from now on!!!.
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[quote Dog-lover]Throw some June Suckers in, Yuba will be overflowing from now on!!!.[/quote]
What? put another non-native in it's non-native home? Oh sure, that should help things a ton!
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Again, slayer takes the cake.
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