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So i been reading a bunch of suggestions and reports on these things and everyone seems to have great luck. Do you use them just when spawning is going on or are they good at any time? also see a lot of 6 to 8 mm beads in bulk at craft stores seems like a person could save a lot by going that route any thoughts on that ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...%26otn%3D2
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At sportsmens I've seen an alternative that are like 89 cents a pack. the brand is danielson.
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The bead is pretty neat it works year round. In the fall on rivers like the clearwater, snake, and grande ronde if you can find actively spawning fall chinook get down river of them and fish a 12mm orange bead and hang on. The steelhead sit right behind the redds and gobble the eggs that float away. The only time I've seen the bead not work as well is when the water gets super cold and the fish are more likely to take bait.
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I use them for catfish some times. Ron
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Troutbeads work great I love them. I catch steelhead on them in Idaho and huge kings on them in AK. They are one of my go-to killers. I've played with cheap beads a bit but it really seems to be best to use the name brand stuff. There is a few cheap beads i've used that seem to get the job done but for the most part I like the colors of the real thing. The holes drilled in some of the cheap beads seem to be inconsistent making it hard to peg the beads easily, but if you tie your beads on it wouldn't matter, i just prefer pegging them i like the versatility of adjusting the gap.

That link you posted doesn't seem to be any cheaper to me, in fact possibly more expensive. 4 bucks for 50 beads, many of the colors you may not ever use, when you can buy troutbeads $2 for 40, up to $4 for mottled or glow beads, and you get the colors you want.
Here is a great online retailer that sells a good selection of troutbeads and you can buy as many as you want for only $2.50 shipping. I loaded up my box for the season for 20 bucks.
[url "http://www.steelheadstuff.com/servlet/the-Troutbeads/Categories"]http://www.steelheadstuff.com/servlet/the-Troutbeads/Categories[/url]
here's a Steelhead I caught this weekend on the Salmon with a 8mm dark roe bead.
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Thanks that's what i was looking for [cool] that link is a lot better price than i have seen them around for I think I will give them a try
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Glad i could help! I think you will be pleased that site has great service and ships pretty fast. I just placed my second order, they've got some great egg pattern flies too!
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Since most beading is akin to snagging fish, how many of these fish are actually caught in the inside of the mouth by using this flossing technique? I hear the longer the leader the more snagged I mean beaded fish you can "catch."
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I tried these beads while fishing for Steel Head. I caught 7 and 5 of those were on trout beads. All five were hooked in the corner of the jaw. The others fishing with me also hooked many on trout beads and I never seen one that was foul hooked. I seems to me that they actually inhale the hook when they target the bead. I was only placing the bead 2-3" from the hook, so maybe a longer leader would make for a different hook set.
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There is no law about "inside the mouth". It simply says you have to entice a strike and hook it in the mouth OR JAW. When pegging the bead simply peg it within 1.5 inches and when the fish takes the bead the hook is already touching the fishes mouth. Take a look at the picture i posted, that hook is technically in the mouth. This method is FAR better for releasing fish than using bait that the fish can take deep. Call it what you want but you are still enticing a strike and hooking the fish in the mouth. I would say around half the fish i hook are inside of the mouth and the other half are in the corner of the mouth, the exact same spot that i often hook fish with flies or jigs when icefishing. Just like the picture i just posted.
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Beading has been used by snaggers or flossers if you will for years. Running the line through the open mouth of a fish is hardly enticing a strike. I would accept that they are hitting the bead if the leader is less than 30" long. If not it's snagging and really a statement of sportsmanship if not illegal.
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Come to think about it, the people that seem to do it most are guys that can't really catch Steelies and Salmon using the traditional methods used by sportsman for years so they find a way to "force" the fish to bite. As many fish as are in the system at this time, it doesn't speak well of people that have to resort to flossing to catch what any old lady could produce with a worm off of the bank!
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I guess I should have stated also that the leaders I was using were any where from 6" to about 18". I had the best luck with about 9-12" of leader. You could feel the strike much better with the short leader.

I guess I would have to be a poor fisherman with that last statement you just posted.
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[quote prvrt]I guess I should have stated also that the leaders I was using were any where from 6" to about 18". I had the best luck with about 9-12" of leader. You could feel the strike much better with the short leader.[/quote]

Then you aren't beading. Beading or flossing has been a major problem on the West Coast rivers for years. It's pretty disgusting to watch this kind of fishing perpetrated on our resources.

Generally they use long leaders and a bead to feel the fish as the line flosses though the fishes open mouth. Then they jerk really hard to set the hook in the side of the fish.
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All the fish I have ever caught on beads were hooked in the corner of the mouth, and my leaders are always about 18" long. The fish strikes the bead, the bead slides through the mouth and the hook becomes embedded in the jaw. This is not snagging. Steelhead instinctively strike at eggs, supposedly trying to get rid of competition... promote their own genes. In the case of the included photo, the chance of the line just floating on into this fishes open mouth would have been pretty close to impossible.
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As I stated, beading isn't done with short leaders.

I think you would have more success using puff balls rather than beads however. The puff balls feel more natural and the fish would be more likely to hang onto them longer than something with the feel of a rock.
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I've used this method for trout for years and they are almost always hooked right in the corner of the mouth. As for this flossing, I've never come across anybody doing this. The fish are definitely hitting the bead, therefore enticing a strike. I don't think there is anything unsportsman like about using this method it is a great way to ensure proper hook placement and increasing the survival rate of released fish. If people are somehow drifting their lines in hopes of it going into a fishes mouth than I agree this isn't fishing its snagging. But enticing a fish to strike something even if the hook happens to be a few inches away is still fishing. If you don't agree with this than you could argue that using flashers when trolling isn't fishing either. The fish are attracted to the flasher which doesn't have a hook immediately attached either.
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MH, I think I made myself perfectly clear on what is considered beading in almost every western state. I made no statement on those that can get a fish to bite a bead on a short leader other than, a puff ball may be more effective. Using artificials of any kind is considered an art by most fishermen whether it be a fly or a lure. I would fall into the group that considers fishing artificials an art.
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Nobody here was even talking about "flossing" fish or beading. You are just simply fussing and trying to cause a stir. I agree that long leaders and ripping hard on the hookset is snagging. The fish I catch on beads are fish that are hitting it like a lure and it's perfectly fair. There are a lot of guys now days using "hookless flies" that uses the same method so the hook is not set inside the mouth and the fish is easier to release. I use "puff balls" often but sometimes i can't get fish to hit them but can get them to hit a small transparent bead. The whole point is that the hook isn't attached securely so it looks more natural, and to me it looks a lot more like a real egg than a "puff ball".
[url "http://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/fishing/fly-fishing/how-fish/2009/03/look-ma-no-hooks"]http://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/fishing/fly-fishing/how-fish/2009/03/look-ma-no-hooks[/url]
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What do you think of the Moffitt system?
I agree on the snagging all the way, but as you pointed out, all these people using shorter leaders are Not doing it.
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