Anybody else see this on the [url "http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/outdoors/50343157-117/anglers-bass-fish-utah.html.csp"]Wildlife Board passing the new bass regs?[/url]
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not until you posted it. I like the changes and hope more smaller fish will be either taken or be able to grow a little.
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Nice to know thanks[cool] I agree with the new changes and I think the guy in that picture is a BFT'er.
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some good eating fish going to hit the grease,[:p]
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Good or bad we will see???
But from past years, the fishing will go to what East Canyon is now ....
That lake had some big bass in it and it has just small ones now for the most part...Is that good???
Look at Starvation as well????How many bass over 4lb get caught there????
Now Jordanelle????
Time will tell...
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This is also likely going to mean the end of the LMB Record as well.
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I know there are a handful of people on here who know how great bass taste. Both largemouth and smallmouth. I think there are other groups of people who would not dare eat them - even though they eat other white fleshed meat... Eating bass is just kinda taboo for some reason...
But with these new regs try keeping some bigger bass and cook them up - make your trip worth the gas money if thats all you catch and you want some fish to fry. I think they taste just about as good as perch, walleye, crappie, etc. Not too much difference. I'm sure some have differing views?
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But from past years, the fishing will go to what East Canyon is now ....
That lake had some big bass in it and it has just small ones now for the most part...Is that good???
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If you remember
more years past, bass were introduced to EC via bucket biologists so perhaps the DWR has not been that concerned whether or not the bass have sustained at a larger size in there. Just sayin.
Like the perch in Mantua, more "brilliant" bucket biology, I doubt the DWR would loose sleep at night if they were "over" harvested. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE PERCH!! but do not think they should be in Mantua because some [#0000ff]deleted[/#0000ff] thinks he knows better than the real biologists and interupts(possibly to the demise)the plan and invested $$$$ of a blue ribbon fishery for trout and bass. Has it crashed? No. But we know there is only so much forage for each species of fish and perch are prolific and I'm possitive they are competing heavily with the other baitfish(ie. bluegill/sunfish). Might be the same with East Canyon.
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Didn't realize Mantua perch were a product of volunteer efforts. I haven't seen much of them at all at Mantua. Bumped into and spotted up plenty of gills, and young bass. Even met a few footer size, nothing bigger.
But I have yet to even see, nyet hookup a perch there. They may well be hiding from me, but they don't seem to be a huge problem. Good bait fish for the bass - wherever those lunkers are hiding! Those old'ns are just too smart for me!
The trout have been pretty good to me there. Wonder if the weeds are thinning out any. Haven't been over for a few weeks.
So these are new regs for next year? Article isn't real specific. But it's funny how large and small get so lumped when they're not really related.
I like bass myself - nice white flesh. Grills well, smoked, fried. It's great in fish tacos. Got my family sold on those this summer. First wiper - it's still a bass.
Thank you for post redlight.
As for myself, dont take more than a few fish for the table.
hate fish that been sitting in the freezer. lake to plate is how I like them. Being the only one in the house that eats fish dont need more than two or three.
also fell that harvesting is good to a point.
over population and competion for forage are factures in smaller fish growth.
We as anglers must harvest responabliy. Dont see taking home a limit just to cook up 2 fish and throw the others into freezer bags.
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[quote Ahi1953]Dont see taking home a limit just to cook up 2 fish and throw the others into freezer bags.[/quote]
Well said. Goes for any species IMO.
I've seen it too many times where people catch a limit just because there's a limit.
This won't change anything for me.
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I know that the DWR put bass in East Canyon where any one else put any in there on there own is here or their...
Eating bass or any other fish is not the question.. What is is how to keep a great fishery great, not who gets to eat them or who wants to....
If all you want is to have some fish to eat go to the store and buy them they cost less per pound and that will leave fish in what water we have for others to enjoy there day out fishing....
Utah is the # 2 in this country for not having any water, only the state to our west has less, but we have more people fishing then many with more water and and more fish... Perch bass and other types of fish can and have been fished out of many lakes in Utah...Oh yes even trout gets fished out as well...
Trout grow faster then most, bass (Sm) grow at about 1 1/2" to 2" per year if you keep them say you keep a 19" 3.5lb bass how long woud it take to grow another???
Keeping a 11" bass to eat How long will it take to replace it???
Witch is more fun to catch???
All fisherman would like to take home some fish to eat ME as well, but I know that I go fishing to catch fish not just to take them home, and if you keep your fish it will be a short day of fishing...[
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Keeping fish like trout from waters they plant them back in make scene and good management but to let the fish be kept so they don't have to watch for poacher is wrong...
Good or bad we have it in law now and we will all see if or how it will change the fishing, will it get better I say not in any way unless all you want is small fish to catch....
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Thanks for the post. I still would have preferred a slot of some sort at Jordanelle to protect some of the bigger fish, but it looks like the DWR was going to do this regardless, so here we go. Just a humble reminder that for best biological results, harvest of the uber abundant sub 12 inch fish should still be encouraged as opposed to just harvesting big ones. And yes the small ones are indeed tasty. (the big ones may taste OK too but have bioaccumulated a lot of mercury and you should be aware of the Jordanelle mercury advisory on smallmouth bass.)
RE: "I know that the DWR put bass in East Canyon where any one else put any in there on there own is here or their..."
Well, I know of a few DWR personnel who would disagree with you, but hey keep saying it often enough and you (and others) may start believing it.
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last year I seemed to be catching a fair amount of perch at Mantua but this year not a single one. I haven't seen anyone else catch one when I was there, and in the reports I read I never hear about perch being caught. I don't know if something happened to the perch population at mantua or what, but bass/bluegill fishing has been pretty good this year
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It's nice to see that our bass are getting some kind of attention. For too long they've just been kind of glossed over and some pretty silly regulations have been put in place.
As much as it pains me, I have to agree with bassrods statement of, if you want to eat some fish, go buy some at the supermarket. Chances are it will be much better eating and you won't have to clean it.
I think the much larger problem that really should be addressed is the overwhelming lack of enforcement of existing laws and regulations. You can have as many laws as you want but if there isn't ant type of enforcement, what incentive do people have to follow them? I don't really know what goes on in the northern portion of our state but down here in the south there is no enforcement what so ever. I've seen people take buckets of bass and bluegill out of Quail on a regular basis. When I go there tomorrow I know I'll see them again doing the same thing. And yes, I've let the park ranger know about it several times and he has done nothing about it.
(these people are from that state to the west of us)
So until the DWR steps up to the plate and starts enforcing a few laws, it's just going to be business as usual for all of our fish.
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Amen brother, I liked your thinking. Law enforcement have better things to do then to watch for silly little fish.
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BR, I would like to know who your connection is with the DWR that "put" them in there because I happened to be working with them during the time they were "discovered" in East Canyon in the first place and I assure you they were NOT put in by the DWR. Later, maybe, I don't know. I haven't been with them for a while now but not originally.
I will always prefer fresh fish I caught over store bought, farm raised shizz! I totally agree the smaller ones (bass) taste better and I'm mostly a C&R man myself anyway but PLEASE don't try to convince me that store bought tastes better. [crazy][crazy]
You are also correct about our water situation out here in the west and particularly here. Water rights are king and it is difficult, to say the least, managing waters(reservoirs) that have so much yearly fluctuation. I think bass management in this state may not be as refined as the trout but I admit I don't target bass much myself so by no means am I saying this new reg is the solution.
I'm curious as to what you think about Pineview vs. Sand Hollow for bass mngement? Same reg I believe and I hear there are an over abundance of the smaller variety in Pineview. Is it because of the reg or is it because too many people are releasing the smaller ones? I'd lean toward too many being released and not kept, much like the trout in the Green River below the Gorge. In years past you'd get seriously scourned for thinking of keeping a larger, over the slot, trout and who's going to keep the dink trout? Not many. Now it sounds like they want kept. I think there are more factors at play than just C&R. Just my opinion I guess.
I think the DWR tries to implement sound management. Perfect? No. But every solution from your posts have been pretty much exclusively C&R.
Anyone who visits this site obviously loves to catch fish or at least loves to get out and enjoy fishing even if they don't catch anything. There are as many reasons for how and why people fish as there are fishermen. Still, don't think it's right to hound someone for being within there legal limit(not saying I agree with keeping a limit EVERY time either). I had an experience with that issue with some crappie enthusiast that wanted the crappie limit lowered cause he was worried about #'s of larger crappies being taken out that year. So I asked him this question. Who do you think has more of an impact to the fishery? The man who gets out once a winter and happens to get lucky with the crappies and keeps his limit of 20 or the retired guys(like the gentleman I was talking to) who are out everyday and keeping only 8-10? I didn't say he didn't have the right to do that but I think he opened his mind to some acceptance of the limits and perhaps self governing of the resource as well.
I'm sure enforcement might help as mentioned by the previous post. As I creel surveyed many anglers, you would not believe how many people didn't bother to even look at the regs let alone try to understand them. It sounds like it might he a good idea to simplify them since the Division itself so strapped in trying to enforce them but like you said time will tell now.
Store bought fish better than fresh fish I caught? Are you for real?
Later
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I did NOT say they were better tasting....
Just that if some one keeps fish to justify the cost of the trip
or license he or she should stay home and buy his or her fish....
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]this is great news!!!! no i can finally get a big smallie on the wall. to go with the big eyes
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Sorry BR I got your comment mixed up with BeermaN's comment.
Ryan
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