Saw four groups fishing the Narrows today on my way home from work with one loner west of the bouys. All the signs that are posted that the reservoir is closed from the dam to the bouy markers and yet some don't think the rules apply to them - SIMPLY AMAZING. You will be charged with tresspassing.
Also be very cognizant of your parking. Weber County Sherrif have ticketed folks parked with any portion of their vehicle over the edge of the road to include your side mirror. You must be COMPLETELY OFF the side of the road.
Consider yourselves warned! Another cold night tonight so the ice is building. That's my public service announcement.
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ticket them you warned them and the ones that creep across the line that has all the fish hidden by the dam, let them they are fishing we are not terrorist just let us fish> i know you like to fish can we reason?Come on smoke fishing is the only thing besides voting for people that dont like to vote.
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wow what a profound statement who cares about laws just go over the bouyes and fish wow ,, i think you got something there,,,,, you dont care about limits either go take up golf dont be a giver of the sport be a taker [#000080]deleted[/#000080][pirate]
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People fished on the other side of the line all last winter. Tons of people. And no one ever said anything. There was even a trail leading down there and that little gate thing they have there was even open. I dont see the problem with it either.
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The man only put his opinion out there. Who are you to say what he does or doesn't care about. Good hell this forum is about fishing and peoples opinions about it. Its not about how much junk we can talk about each other.
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HHHMMMM.....I'm still trying to wrap my head around this one. The law in Utah states that you can be on the water even if that water is on private property as long as you are not on the bottom. I would find it kind of hard for a ticket to hold up in court.
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First - Thanks for your post. You've warned everyone and let the chips fall where they may.
The area west of the bouys is CLEARLY posted up by the road as no trespassing!
So let's watch everyone argue, thump their chest and whine (again). The closure is not that big a deal - is there really not enough space on Pineview for fishers to drlll a hole?
I really could care less whether that small section is closed or not. I just hope that the rules are enforced and those who break them are ticketed.
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Perhaps you missed the new legislation that went into effect last year, and had lots of anglers up-n-arms. Dealing with private property, and trespass.[:/]
Used to be you could be IN the water, just not on the shore - and pass down any public river-way. Not so anymore. Unless you get "permission".
So now private property owners can "sell" permission to trespass to gain access to public waters.[pirate]
Sign sign - everywhere a sign, and fences, and warnings, and buoy lines. Um, where's the ambiguity?[crazy]
We don't have to like it - and can raise the desire to move the buoy line, but trespass is trespass. Word earlier this year was they planned to enforce the rules more stringently this year.
Gotta keep in mind - for us "recreationalists" our access is a privilege, NOT a right. The reservoirs are there for water, the dam is there to keep the water there. I don't think even the lurkers are terrorists intend on blowing up a dam (just trashing it, maybe some graffiti. . .[mad]), but rules is rules.
It's not like Vegas ("What happens in the tent stays in the tent")
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Used to be you could be IN the water, just not on the shore - and pass down any public river-way. Not so anymore. Unless you get "permission".
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You can still be in the water. You just can't touch the bottom. As long as you float you are okay.
According to the way the law is written. You can accesses the water from any public point and as long as you are on the ice you can fish where you want. The water is public is it not. you on the water (ice) not the shore or the bottom of the reservoir. There may be other rules that apply to that body of water but if your tickeded for trespassing how are you trespassing if you are on the water and you accesses it from a public point.
Not trying to start anything but the state made the law.
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You wouldn't be trying to discourage fellow fisherman from fishing that area to have it to yourself would you?[:p]
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I don't mean to debate either. I'm not a lawyer, I don't even play one on TV, or pretend to be one online.
Here's the regs as they're written: [url "http://wildlife.utah.gov/dwr/component/content/article/40-fishing/238-hb-141.html"]CODE[/url]
Read 'em - make your own judgement, and your own interpretation call. I'd love to fish up in the narrows, so don't get me wrong. I WANT to get in there, I just don't want to get a ticket for it.
I'll be interested in any "encounters" folks have in that area. It's that "managing authority" business I wonder about.
You do not need permission to:
[ul][li]Fish while floating over private property.[/li][li]Fish on public property where the activity is authorized by the managing agency. This applies to fishing on property owned by the U.S. Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, the DWR and other public agencies.[/li][li]Fish on private property that is not closed to trespass.[/li][/ul]I like the comment in "incidental touching" - makes me chuckle, reminds me of crowded hot springs and the "hand check" call by the group leaders....
I think they should ticket the phat perch and crappie for hanging out in there! Git em out where WE can find 'em!
You got the regs right. Ice floats on top of the water, therefore you would be "floating" over the private property. What the whole argument of that law was about, is whether or not the "stream bed" is private property. The state supreme court said the stream bed IS NOT private property, so HB 141 should be found unconstitutional in the long run anyway.
BUT, Anyway this debate has nothing to do with PView.
The law you will get ticketed for is a FEDERAL law that
states in certain cases, as deemed necessary, the Federal Natural Resources Bureau will have jurisdiction to protect a dam and waterway. Because a Highway goes over PView dam it is deemed protected, meaning you can't get within so many feet of that structure, whether on water, land or anything else. Reasoning is that you could send a great big bomb down there and blow the dam. No the fisherman are not terrorists, nor do I think that terrorists would blow a dam in Utah, but there you have it. A similiar bouy line is up on Flaming Gorge too, because that dam generates electrictiy.
Live with it folks, if you risk it and fish over the line, then don't whine when you get a ticket!!
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Well said pookie.
I'm with everyone else in that I don't see a need for the buoys as I highly doubt there are any terrorists plotting to take out Ogden's water supply. Also I think the buoys would be just as effective at their job at half the distance from the dam than what they are at right now.
However, Why should the people who think they only have to follow the regulations that they deem acceptable be given extra privileges over those of us who follow the rules no matter how silly we think they are?
If I see anybody fishing on the wrong side of the buoys I'll give them a friendly reminder about the regulations and if they don't heed my warnings I wouldn't hesitate to notify the authorities, after that it'll be up to the authorities to decide what they want to do.
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saw someone over the bouy line on my way back from causey this morning, thought maybe they think they will get away with it by saying they didn't see the bouys (i doubt this would fly though as i could clearly see them from the road). Are these people even wondering why no one else is fishing the area? It is a federal law people argue all you want you will lose.
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There's no way claiming to not see the buoys is gonna fly. I think the people on the other side just don't care about rules, it is what it is. I won't be blowing the whistle on anyone but at the same time I will abide by the rules given to me. I don't like buying a 2 pole license but I do it because a fine is just not worth it. I agree, there is no sense in arguing with the law, a school teacher, your dad, or your wife you're not gonna win. Pick your battles wisely.
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[#0000ff]I have spoken with sheriffs and other officers in the area, asking about the "teeth" in the regulations. They usually roll their eyes and say "You don't mess around with the feds." I doubt we will see the area being patrolled by Apache gunships but if the trespassing becomes flagrant it is possible that there might be a couple of "sweeps" to cite the violators and serve notice to the rest. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I am just as mad as everybody else that the buoys were placed so far up the channel. I have fished that area for years and I can attest that there are some humps and bumps in the newly restricted area that are prime for late fall and winter ice fishing. Pretty much eliminated my desire to even go there. Yeah, that and that beastly hill I gotta climb back up. Getting harder every year. Probably a change in the gravitational forces. Couldn't be that I'm getting older.[/#0000ff]
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What's there to interpret? The proclamation clearly states "CLOSED inside buoys by spillway near the dam."
Utah waterways are managed by the DWR. When they publish rules, recreational users are expected to follow them. Period.
I personally think it's ridiculous. If someone wants to blow up the dam, a string of buoys definitely isn't going to stop them. Criminals find a way to commit crimes.
Nonetheless, if you wish to push the law and fish beyond the buoys, go right ahead. If you get a ticket, I encourage you to fight it in court. The rules are black and white; you won't win.
It's a lopsided risk versus reward anyway.
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I don't want to get in to the argument of whether its right or wrong to fish "over the line".
I would just like to inform everyone that while I was fishing the narrows today I observed, at several different times, a fish and game truck parked up by the dam with bino's checking out who was where. Also, throughout the day they were on either side of the dam checking things out.
on another note, fishing was awesome!!
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And while F&G were scoping out the anglers, were any beyond the line?
And tell us more about the great fishing!!! Did you get on something beyond the dinky perch, and wimpy little crappie? I hope so!
How's the ice? Parking?
Any Idahoans invading? (kidding!)
I won't ask what side of the line you were on. [pirate]
Parking was complete garbage. I was on the EAST side of the buoy (safe), however when arrived my friend was on the wrong side... I told him and he quickly moved over. The ice was between 4-7" everywhere I drilled holes, and the catch will have to be my little secret. [
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I think i answered all your questions, sorta =p
I would, however, advise caution on the ice still. I did walk across the lake to the south bank of the narrows, and where "I" walked it was fine (about 20' away from the buoy line), but it looked a little iffy to me in other areas. It never hurts to be too cautious in some cases!!
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