06-22-2011, 08:42 PM
06-22-2011, 08:54 PM
[cool][#0000ff]Why stop at one place and one method. Ventilate them. Better safe than infested.[/#0000ff]
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06-22-2011, 08:56 PM
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With double 0 buck shot!
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06-22-2011, 09:53 PM
Lay 'em in the parking lot & drive yer truck over 'em.
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I don't like carp
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I don't like carp
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06-22-2011, 10:58 PM
Try this.
The brain label is inaccurate. Everyone knows carp are brainless. It is pointing to where the brain would be located had this been a walleye, but the swim bladder is in the right spot.
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The brain label is inaccurate. Everyone knows carp are brainless. It is pointing to where the brain would be located had this been a walleye, but the swim bladder is in the right spot.
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06-22-2011, 11:28 PM
Quote:Where do I poke?
man - that could be a loaded question taken out of context!
You guys are brutal, but damn funny all the same!
So when you're talking about carp - CPR means "catch, puncture, release" - right?
I think I need to let my boy start making some spears!!!
06-22-2011, 11:31 PM
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1st-Machine Gun
2nd option-high level explosives. But don't use on only one!!!
3rd option-drive a freaking giant souped up SWATHER through mating carpy carpy time.!!!
Other options!!!!
Who cares!!!!! Any method that doesn't leave them swimming! Voodoo if you have to!!!
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1st-Machine Gun
2nd option-high level explosives. But don't use on only one!!!
3rd option-drive a freaking giant souped up SWATHER through mating carpy carpy time.!!!
Other options!!!!
Who cares!!!!! Any method that doesn't leave them swimming! Voodoo if you have to!!!
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06-23-2011, 04:04 AM
Careful... When I suggested shooting at them with barbless arrows, I got scolded....[crazy]
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06-23-2011, 05:23 AM
Just start stabbing until you hear the whoosh of air, and then stab some more, just to be sure.
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06-23-2011, 11:14 AM
Ok, I get that carp are crap fish and that no one wants to eat them, but why does everyone want them dead so badly?
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06-23-2011, 12:02 PM
[cool][#0000ff]They're like the chubby kid in your third grade class. Easy targets to "poke" fun at.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]In some lakes in Utah they maintain a balance with the other species. They are ugly and a nuisance but not an ecological disaster. But in Utah Lake they are the sole cause of the current problems in the lake...comprising over 90 percent of the biomass. Think about it. 9 out of every 10 pounds of fish in Utah Lake is a carp.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Carp were introduced in the late 1800's. Within a few years they had exploded and taken over the lake. They eliminated all of the vegetation needed by other species for food and shelter...and oxygen. And, they prey heavily on the eggs and fry of other species.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Carp are not only disliked by anglers. They are the target of the Federal Endangered Species Program that is trying to restore Utah Lake for the June Suckers. Millions of dollars being spent (of your tax money) to reduce carp numbers down to the "tipping point"...where predators can help keep the numbers at a liveable level...whatever that is.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Most Utah anglers also have a bias that if it don't got spots or pink stripes it ain't a worthy fish. But lots of us begrudgingly admit to enjoying a tussle with them. They pull good.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Whether we admit it or not, most guys gots a killer instinct and like to kill stuff. Carp are just a good excuse for letting out all of the pent up aggression we harbor for other issues (and people) in our lives. And, you don't gotta buy carp tags or put in for special hunts neither.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]In some lakes in Utah they maintain a balance with the other species. They are ugly and a nuisance but not an ecological disaster. But in Utah Lake they are the sole cause of the current problems in the lake...comprising over 90 percent of the biomass. Think about it. 9 out of every 10 pounds of fish in Utah Lake is a carp.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Carp were introduced in the late 1800's. Within a few years they had exploded and taken over the lake. They eliminated all of the vegetation needed by other species for food and shelter...and oxygen. And, they prey heavily on the eggs and fry of other species.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Carp are not only disliked by anglers. They are the target of the Federal Endangered Species Program that is trying to restore Utah Lake for the June Suckers. Millions of dollars being spent (of your tax money) to reduce carp numbers down to the "tipping point"...where predators can help keep the numbers at a liveable level...whatever that is.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Most Utah anglers also have a bias that if it don't got spots or pink stripes it ain't a worthy fish. But lots of us begrudgingly admit to enjoying a tussle with them. They pull good.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Whether we admit it or not, most guys gots a killer instinct and like to kill stuff. Carp are just a good excuse for letting out all of the pent up aggression we harbor for other issues (and people) in our lives. And, you don't gotta buy carp tags or put in for special hunts neither.[/#0000ff]
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06-23-2011, 12:20 PM
I wondered if there was a deeper reason such as what you said about UL. I just didn't really know. I actually have no problem admitting that I enjoy catching carp 
. I was telling my wife the other day that it was kind of a bummer that at a spot of the BR that is near our house, you dont catch carp much any more. I suppose I am part of the reason for that though. When I was a teen, me and a buddy would grab the boat, the poles, and pitchforks and go down the BR. It was perfect, the little aluminum boat would bottom out, we would hop out and it would bring it up enough to float behind us while we stabbed some carp, then when it got too deep to see, we would chuck a worm and float on . Ah, I miss those days. Good times.
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. I was telling my wife the other day that it was kind of a bummer that at a spot of the BR that is near our house, you dont catch carp much any more. I suppose I am part of the reason for that though. When I was a teen, me and a buddy would grab the boat, the poles, and pitchforks and go down the BR. It was perfect, the little aluminum boat would bottom out, we would hop out and it would bring it up enough to float behind us while we stabbed some carp, then when it got too deep to see, we would chuck a worm and float on . Ah, I miss those days. Good times.[signature]
06-23-2011, 12:40 PM
Couple of my favorite "carp shots"
You know how Cutler's water is all brown, muddy, and murky? I don't know for a fact, but highly suspect that if it weren't for the carp - that water would be a whole world clearer, and would be a better fishery for all those other species that abound.
You had a chance to meet some of them fatties up close, so you know what TD is talking about as far as their strength and size. They can be a hell of a catch. In Europe carp and carp fishing is a big deal. They dedicate all kinds of technique and methods to catching carps. Of course they can chum and do all sorts of things we Yanks aren't permitted. Last is a 44lb mirror carp - talk about a beast!
You know how Cutler's water is all brown, muddy, and murky? I don't know for a fact, but highly suspect that if it weren't for the carp - that water would be a whole world clearer, and would be a better fishery for all those other species that abound.
You had a chance to meet some of them fatties up close, so you know what TD is talking about as far as their strength and size. They can be a hell of a catch. In Europe carp and carp fishing is a big deal. They dedicate all kinds of technique and methods to catching carps. Of course they can chum and do all sorts of things we Yanks aren't permitted. Last is a 44lb mirror carp - talk about a beast!
06-23-2011, 12:43 PM
[cool][#0000ff]No worries mate. There are increasingly more "carpaholics" in Utah...especially among the fly fishing contingent. Folks who have never deliberately fished for carp have no appreciation for their wariness. They can be as spooky as a big ol' brown trout...and even harder to catch on a fly. And once hooked they make good use of their size and strength to bend your strick and stretch your string.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I know quite a few guys who profess to be experts or specialists in some form of non-carp fishing but who admit to enjoying the sport provided by those
buglemouth bass. There are more than a few Utah tanglers who carry an ultralight rod and actually fish for carp when the opportunity presents itself. Gotta admit to a tinge of carp enjoys myself.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Bottom line is that humans are definitely responsible for the introduction of carp into our waters. However, mankind has been largely unsuccessful in removing them from any habitat in which they have become well established. Even mass nettings and poisonings only work to remove the bulk of the existing population...but they almost always come back from residual fish that manage to elude the best efforts to get rid of them.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Utah Lake carp are bad, but everytime I review the situation in the Mississippi River drainage...with those new exotic species of carp...I get the shivers. They are destroying a complete ecosystem along over a thousand miles of vital waterways. There are already some lakes and rivers that no longer contain any other species and were once great fisheries both for commercial and sports fishermen. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I know quite a few guys who profess to be experts or specialists in some form of non-carp fishing but who admit to enjoying the sport provided by those
buglemouth bass. There are more than a few Utah tanglers who carry an ultralight rod and actually fish for carp when the opportunity presents itself. Gotta admit to a tinge of carp enjoys myself.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Bottom line is that humans are definitely responsible for the introduction of carp into our waters. However, mankind has been largely unsuccessful in removing them from any habitat in which they have become well established. Even mass nettings and poisonings only work to remove the bulk of the existing population...but they almost always come back from residual fish that manage to elude the best efforts to get rid of them.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Utah Lake carp are bad, but everytime I review the situation in the Mississippi River drainage...with those new exotic species of carp...I get the shivers. They are destroying a complete ecosystem along over a thousand miles of vital waterways. There are already some lakes and rivers that no longer contain any other species and were once great fisheries both for commercial and sports fishermen. [/#0000ff]
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06-23-2011, 12:49 PM
[cool][#0000ff]Here's another carp pic for your collection.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Just goes to show that there really are some carp lovers.[/#0000ff]
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06-23-2011, 01:21 PM
Wow. I thought kissing bass was unsanitary, but letting your carp buddy be on top like that....gross. I do enjoy catching them though, just not that much.
I think a lot of the problem with Cutler has been destruction of riparian habitat along The Bear from livestock grazing and development as well as high nitrogen phosphorous levels from agricultural runoff and the sewage treatment plant. I don't think the carp help any though. I think there's a better balance with the carp in Cutler than in Utah Lake, but still, I can only imagine how the fishery would be with fewer of them in there.
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I think a lot of the problem with Cutler has been destruction of riparian habitat along The Bear from livestock grazing and development as well as high nitrogen phosphorous levels from agricultural runoff and the sewage treatment plant. I don't think the carp help any though. I think there's a better balance with the carp in Cutler than in Utah Lake, but still, I can only imagine how the fishery would be with fewer of them in there.
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06-23-2011, 01:34 PM
I think the catfish and carp kind of keep each other in check at Cutler. I was commenting to my wife that it was kind of funny that cats liked carp meat so much. I dont think they get to eat that very often seeing as I dont think I have ever seen a small carp. Smallest I have ever seen has still been a couple pounds.
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06-23-2011, 02:00 PM
[cool][#0000ff]The fast growth rate of young carp is a big part of the reason why predators do not thin the herd better. Carp spawn in May...give or take a couple or weeks one way or another. Within a couple of months the fry are over 3" long and can exceed six to 8" by the end of the first year...some even growing to a foot or more in one year. Only the very largest predators can feed on them beyond the end of summer.[/#0000ff]
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06-23-2011, 02:24 PM
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[#0000ff]In some lakes in Utah they maintain a balance with the other species. [/#0000ff][/quote]
Really? Which lakes? Let's come up with a list -- I gotta know which lakes carp are helping maintain a balance. This should be good....
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[quote TubeDude][#0000ff]Most Utah anglers also have a bias that if it don't got spots or pink stripes it ain't a worthy fish. But lots of us begrudgingly admit to enjoying a tussle with them. They pull good.[/#0000ff]
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Most? Come on Tubedud. That's not true. There are many of us that prefer native species, but I wouldn't say that most anglers in Utah are necessarily die-hard trout snobs. We all enjoy the tussle of fighting any large fish. What some of us don't like is when invasive species come in change things for the worse. A perfect example is the same lake you're discussing: Utah Lake. In your honest opinion, wouldn't you like to see Utah Lake in it's "pre Mormon settlers" condition? I'm sure it was a much better trout lake than it will ever be as a "warm water" species lake.
To each his own. Let's get on with this list of lakes that carp help maintain balance in:
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[#0000ff]In some lakes in Utah they maintain a balance with the other species. [/#0000ff][/quote]
Really? Which lakes? Let's come up with a list -- I gotta know which lakes carp are helping maintain a balance. This should be good....
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[quote TubeDude][#0000ff]Most Utah anglers also have a bias that if it don't got spots or pink stripes it ain't a worthy fish. But lots of us begrudgingly admit to enjoying a tussle with them. They pull good.[/#0000ff]
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Most? Come on Tubedud. That's not true. There are many of us that prefer native species, but I wouldn't say that most anglers in Utah are necessarily die-hard trout snobs. We all enjoy the tussle of fighting any large fish. What some of us don't like is when invasive species come in change things for the worse. A perfect example is the same lake you're discussing: Utah Lake. In your honest opinion, wouldn't you like to see Utah Lake in it's "pre Mormon settlers" condition? I'm sure it was a much better trout lake than it will ever be as a "warm water" species lake.
To each his own. Let's get on with this list of lakes that carp help maintain balance in:
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06-23-2011, 02:41 PM
"Really? Which lakes? Let's come up with a list -- I gotta know which lakes carp are helping maintain a balance. This should be good...."
[cool][#0000ff]I did not use the word HELP. I was referring to lakes like Willard, Deer Creek and Starvation as examples of lakes in which there are carp...but not an overwhelming imbalance of carp. In those lakes there are enough hungry predators to make a sizeable reduction in each year's hatchlings so that a sort of balance exists. And, where chubs have been largely eradicated they do provide some protein.[/#0000ff]
[#0000ff]In days of old there was a similar balance in Yuba. But after the big drain it tipped in favor of the carp. They were the predominant survivors and exploded in the absence of a controlling population of predators. Plus, they get a big population boost each year when Gunnison is flushed downstream.[/#0000ff]
[#0000ff]Would I like to see Utah Lake returned to "Pre Mormon" days? Heck yeah. Let's dust off the time machine and clean up the whole state...people included. Utah could use a makeover. But as far as returning Utah Lake to a trout pond? Nah. I like catfish, walleye and whities better.[/#0000ff]
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[cool][#0000ff]I did not use the word HELP. I was referring to lakes like Willard, Deer Creek and Starvation as examples of lakes in which there are carp...but not an overwhelming imbalance of carp. In those lakes there are enough hungry predators to make a sizeable reduction in each year's hatchlings so that a sort of balance exists. And, where chubs have been largely eradicated they do provide some protein.[/#0000ff]
[#0000ff]In days of old there was a similar balance in Yuba. But after the big drain it tipped in favor of the carp. They were the predominant survivors and exploded in the absence of a controlling population of predators. Plus, they get a big population boost each year when Gunnison is flushed downstream.[/#0000ff]
[#0000ff]Would I like to see Utah Lake returned to "Pre Mormon" days? Heck yeah. Let's dust off the time machine and clean up the whole state...people included. Utah could use a makeover. But as far as returning Utah Lake to a trout pond? Nah. I like catfish, walleye and whities better.[/#0000ff]
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