You guys seem to be pretty on top of your regulations , so maybe you can help me out. I'm fairly certain (if I'm reading it right) fish, whether alive or as cut bait, is not an allowed bait in any of the urban ponds. Is that right? I'm just not 100% I'm reading it correctly off ndow's site and don't want to not use bait I should use or conversely use something illegal.
I've been in reno the last 7 months and want to try the sparks marina. I've heard tale of large (10lb+) cats in there, since it's primarily fished for trout.
Thanks guys.
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yes use of any part of fish is prohibited in any of the urban ponds, with the exception of cured salmon eggs, this i did not know and i fished all last year with cut chovies and carp pieces in the urban ponds. lucky i didn't get caught.[angelic]
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Now before I respond please note I didn’t come into this post to argue about rules or regs or suggest that anyone break the law.
But I’ve been told by a few reputable sources that chovies or any other pre-packaged fish bought at the store that its ok at urbans and no tickets will be issued. The sign I remember read “no game fish parts” keyword GAME FISH. Not sure about sparks marina.
I could copy and paste that section of the NV fishing proclamation but I don't think that will help[
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But I’ve been told by a few reputable sources that chovies or any other pre-packaged fish bought at the store that its ok at urbans and no tickets will be issued. The sign I remember read “no game fish parts” keyword GAME FISH. Not sure about sparks marina.
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It will be dependent on who/how strict the game warden will be. You can roll the dice and hope the game warden that day will look the other way. I've seen some wardens issue citations at the urban ponds for store-bought bait and some wardens say its OK. The letter of the law states it is illegal to use any fish as bait, dead or alive. This applies to all waters beside the urban lakes with Lake Mead and Lake Mojave as the exception:
2011 NV Fishing Regs, P. 11.
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Thanks for the confirmation on the rules, guys. Got some trusty old nightcrawlers and also some berkly gulp catfish dough. Never tried it so we'll see how it goes.
I used to complain a lot about lake mead when I was stuck on the shore there. That was before moving to reno. [crazy]
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[quote AidanInSpace]Thanks for the confirmation on the rules, guys. Got some trusty old nightcrawlers and also some berkly gulp catfish dough. Never tried it so we'll see how it goes.
I used to complain a lot about lake mead when I was stuck on the shore there. That was before moving to reno. [crazy][/quote]
Sorry I missed reading you are in Reno/Sparks area which is in the western region for NDOW.
Bait regulations for the Western Region is on page 11 and there are quite a few exceptions for Lake Tahoe, Walker Lake and Truckee River systems that I won't go into.You will have to familiarize yourself by reading them. However, the regs for urban lakes in that region is the same as southern NV:
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Like I said nelson I’m not here to argue about rules or regs or suggest that anyone break the law. I know what proc says. I don’t bait fish urbans so it really doesn’t matter to me.
I was just passing down info given to me by several reputable sources. I sent an email to Ndow and asked about the regulation in question I’ll post back when I get a reply.
My question to you and Ndow is what is the reasoning be hide this reg? Why?
No harm caused unless you use some kind of diseased fish or something. I’m not advocating live goldfish fishing at urbans I just don’t see what’s wrong with using cut bait from prepackaged fish bought from the store. I know rules are rules [unimpressed].
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No harm caused unless you use some kind of diseased fish or something. I’m not advocating live goldfish fishing at urbans I just don’t see what’s wrong with using cut bait from prepackaged fish bought from the store. I know rules are rules [unimpressed].[/quote]
i agree with you 4pound, there is nothing wrong with using cut bait for fishing, its just one of those dumb laws that actually contradicts itself by saying use of live fish or fish parts is illegal in the state of Nevada but its ok in the Colorado river system which is in Nevada, its just like the license regs, if u are 12 or over u have to have a license and a trout stamp to fish the urbans even when there is no trout in the ponds about 8 months out of the year, but there is no need of a license or trout stamp in the Colorado river system until one is 14. NDOW should print 2 separate reg books one for the state of Nevada and one for the Colorado river system. maybe it would be easier to understand then [fishon] JMO
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Up until this year, I've fished Floyd Lamb 3-4 times a week for over two years and have talked to just about every game warden who haunts the place (sometimes with binoculars behind trees). So I consider myself "a reputable source."
I can tell you with certainty that each warden is different in how they interpret this ambiguous reg, i.e, use of fish parts for bait. Some will allow you to use prepackaged bait, others will tell you its not allowed.
So there is really no argument. The rules are the rules, break them at your own peril. So even if a NDOW warden responds "Yea" or "Nay" to your email, the final answer will be the warden who asks for your license as you are fishing the urbans.
Personally, I don't see a reason to use cut bait in the urbans. Stinkbait, shrimp, hotdogs or plain nightcrawlers will do the job just as efficiently for cats. Powerballs, Power worms, inline spinners, meal worms - even marshmallows work just fine for trout.
We are talking about dumb stockers which will eat just about anything in the urbans. The real trick to catching fish at the urbans is to get there within 2 days after stocking, not what bait you are using.
So I wouldn't tell people to break the regs even with the caveat "I'm not suggesting..." then imply that is OK...
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The only exception in the 2011 NV fishing regs on use of fish parts are " preserved salmon eggs" with nothing about prepackaged fish parts.
BTW: I'm done with this, time for a brown bottle, a wet line and some store bought fish parts....[mad][cool]
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Personally, I don't see a reason to use cut bait in the urbans. Stinkbait, shrimp, hotdogs or plain nightcrawlers will do the job just as efficiently for cats. Powerballs, Power worms, inline spinners, meal worms - even marshmallows work just fine for trout.
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I second that
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I've somehow never been able to catch cats in urban ponds no matter what I use. Literally not one. Just bad luck i guess. Only time I ever caught them was at mead with anchovies. And today was no different. Used worms and gulp catfish nuggets with no bites. But this pond is large and deep (100 ft in parts according to ndow. It's a flooded gravel pit) so maybe I just didn't find the spots. Friday will bring another attempt.
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Try to find shallower areas, 20 feet or less? I'm not actually familiar with it though I do know that gravel pits tend to have rather steep, and sudden drop offs. Fish tend to hang out on these shallower ledges not far from the drop offs.
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Thanks for the tip, jebus.
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My question musta flew right over your head. What harm is caused by using pre-packaged fish bought from the store?
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We could sit and argue the reg book for days. I don't agree with every single one of our Southern NV possession limits. They are stupid, and were written out of sheer lack of fisheries biology knowledge.
Laws can be ignorant. There is still someone with the power to ruin your day if you choose not to follow.
Not using fish for bait at the urban ponds is just one of many unintelligent laws NDOW has set for us.
When are these fools going to discover slot limits?
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(I thought I was done here, but since you asked the question, I guess I'll answer it)
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My question musta flew right over your head. What harm is caused by using pre-packaged fish bought from the store?
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.....And my answer to your question flew over yours...its a moot point.
If you are so passionate about this topic, begin by calling or writing your Nevada representatives, orangize a campaign to revise some of the archaic fishing regs, start a petition drive to get the required signatures and in two years go to Carson City to testify before the Nevada Legislature.
Perhaps you can make a difference.
Me? I rather be fishing...I'll live with the fishing laws as they are currently written. While they may not make sense, why worry? Life is too short and I'm too old to care.
This is my last post on this topic...
4LBer, if you want the last word..go for it.
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so much hate in this thread...lol
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[quote lvfishingdude]so much hate in this thread...lol[/quote]
can't we all just get along...LOL
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I know right!!!! I'm sure they will do that when they get around to printing out a regs book just for the "Colorado river system" [
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Why, and ruin all the fun. It makes me feel like a bad azz to have 100 pounds of 20-30 year old striper meat in my freezer. [cool] I mean everyone knows that the oldest, most mercury filled toughest striper meat is the tastiest. Right?
If I catch it, dadgummit Im gonna keep it. Ive killed 40 stripers over 30 pounds. WHoo hoo. Im the man [cool]
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gnelson651 wrote: 4LBer, if you want the last word..go for it.
Ok since you said I could. It’s all fun & games fellas.[cool] As said it’s just one of those rules like many others that don’t make sense. It’s easier to just follow the rules and play on the safe side.
If we don’t have folks making a fuss about it, asking the reasoning be hide these ridiculous regulations nothing for surely will be done.[
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Will my fellow BFT’ers sign the petition when I get one going?
Whizzle what kind of slot limits are we talking about here? mmm
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Third that. Hotdogs and magickat stinkbait are all ya need. Hotdogs and stinkbait also do not need to be refrigerated.
Anchovies stink your hands up while hot dogs won't. My guess to as why they do not allow fish parts is that they do not want people bringing a bag to chum with as well. Imagine what the water would be like if half of the 100 people on a Saturday chummed a bag of chovies.
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