read part of this yesterday and talked to my buddy via text about it. guess the power squadron up there pulled a hit and run, assume it was the power squadron cause we've all had close calls up there it sounds like.. lady died of her injuries, still looking for the boat I guess. wish there were some better rules or people patrolling up there, I know its tough. I see too many kids up there borrowing daddys boat and running wild.
deal.
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maby they will make pinview a wakless water like the others in that same canyon!!!! one could only dream i suposed... to bad there are people like that and its
that they are every were people just dont care.. nor do they have any common scence... i hope it haunts the boater the rest of there lifes... if people would just gain common scence and courtiusy this wouldnt happen..
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that's why I only fish it through 12" of ice !!!!! I've only lived here for 2 years and that lake reminds me of "clowns gone wild". They are the reason DNR is so tough on that lake, won't see me there till xmas.
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wish they had big bold boater safety and penalty warnings all around there. and maybe the people at the pay boothes could scare some common sense into people by telling them the regs and consequences if they don't abide by safety regs. its a tough job but it always seems like they're too concerned with just getting your money and the fish cops busy making sure all your boat stickers/registration are properly in the right place. I dunno, just hate seein this.
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Unfortunately this could happen on any given number of lakes and reservoirs in utah. every lake should have a wakeless speed within some given distance from any shore. There are times when bank fishing or fishing from a tube is almost impossible because of the guys that scream past only 60 feet from shore. Always wonder when there is the entire lake why the shore areas are so popular with the power boaters. I agree they have the right to pursue their pleasure on the water but I still think it should be wakeless for X number of feet from any shore on any lake. Not sure it would help since they ignore existing laws about distance from other boats.
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this does happen a lot of places but everytime I've been up there I always have boats zippin by close and hear a lot from other fishermans close calls,, if I didn't have pontoons on my canoe I woulda been flipped a couple times. wish they could do somethin and maybe there really isn't much they can do. just sucks that i have a fish cop come over and give me the run down when there are boats zippin right by me and the fish cop and he's making sure my license is signed. just seems like an easier target/potential ticket sometimes that they focus on. but its a thankless job, especially when somethin like this happens. too bad.
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This is very
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Places like Pineview and Jordanelle are accidents waiting to happen.
One thing that we have to remember though.
When you put as many boats on a body of water as these places get, you run out of room. I have tried to see both sides of the picture and if there are 10 or 15 fishing boats spread out across the water, there is little to no place for water skiers and jet boats to go, without getting close to a fishing boat.
What I would hate to see is regulations that only allow fishing boats on the water during a certain time of day or day of the week.
The same for other recreation boaters.
Pineview does have a lot of shoreline that is wakeless and even some that is closed to all motor craft.
I have seen the Weber County Sheriff's boat out enforcing these regulations often.
There isn't a good answer to the problem.
I just pick the times that I put my boat on the water and deal with it.
Not much more that one can do.
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Wow... thats really
, but before everyone starts to crucify the boater that hit her, realize that there may be more facts to the situation. The reason I say this is because I'm often at Pineview early in the AM, and last week came within 30 feet of hitting a swimmer. The swimmers go in the water at the Skyline Trailhead, then swim out to the wakeless bouy line, and then swim the length of the bouy line to the south shore and return. Some of them tow a flag or marker bouy behind them, but most do not. Well the guy that I nearly hit was well outside of the bouy line with no flag or bouy attached to him. Fortunately I was slowing down as I was coming off of plane and was able to swerve to the right to avoid him. I apologized to him and he never even knew I was there. So I can see where someone could have hit her, and never even know it. Unless they're towing a marker its very difficult to see them, especially early in the morning when a lot of them like to swim. Fred K.
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wouldn't you feel somethin that big hitting your prop? or would it just feel like a normal sorta bump? I only own a canoe, everytime I've seen swimmers up there I make a pretty wide end around, if I owned a big boat I prob would stay far away from those swim beaches or at least not throttle up anywhere near them. the swimmers do get out there quite a ways tho.
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I am also not justify what anyone did or did not do wrong in this situation. But I am fairly confident that I saw her swiming the last time I was at Pineview and she was still in the water after the sun when down. I kept thinking that it was very dangerous and was watching her until she swam out of site from me. I actually waved at her as she went by and turned around and followed her for a bit. But she was swimming close to shore by that time so I figured she was safe (she had to swim across an open baoting area to get there though). The boats in the area were going really fast and I always made sure I could see them so I would know if they saw me. But for a swimmer, I can't even image.
I was in the Middle Creek area (I don't know the names of Pineview) which was not protected by buoys. I am not entirely sure this was the same person but I highly suspect it was since in the paper, it mentinoed she has been swimming for the past 100 days or something along those lines and it was the same ethnicity. She was wearing an orange cap (I think that is what she was wearing based on memory) but I just kept thinking about all of the stories on here where boaters almost hit tubers/tooners and they are well above the water. For a swimmer, there is almost no chance a boater would be able to see them even with an orange cap.
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[quote utahgolf]wouldn't you feel somethin that big hitting your prop? or would it just feel like a normal sorta bump? [/quote]
I believe you would know. Some dude in a row boat heard her scream, according to the story, so at the very least the boat operator had to hear her as well.
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If memory serves me correctly within 150 feet of any shore is wakeless speeds. I might be wrong, but that is the way I operate my boat. Very
situation for all involved.
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I believe you would know. Some dude in a row boat heard her scream, according to the story, so at the very least the boat operator had to hear her as well.[/quote]
You've got to be kidding me. Go out to your car start the engine lift the hood and push the throttle all the way to the floor stick your head under the hood and have your neighbor yell for help and see if you can hear him.
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Let me stir the pot a little. the news clip i watched on CH2, i believe it was, the morning after it happened....
The guy in the row boat, was actually someone who heard the screams from his deck. he got in the row boat to go help. he claimed to have heard the 3 guys on the boat asking her if she was ok, are you alright, and basically trying to get any response from her. they took off. From that news clip, yes, they knew, no they didn't help, and yes, they fled.
the boat pic they showed was like any of the 1000 open bow run a bouts. 17-19 ft range. blue and white. At this point, they could have been fisherman in a fiberglass boat, just don't know.
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I will stir the pot in the other direction then . . .
2 News was the ONLY publication who said that the boater stopped. ALL other publications said the boater most likely had no idea they had hit someone.
NOW to really get people pissed:
You are an idiot absolute idiot to go swimming in the early morning or evening outside the wakeless bouy areas!! I have logged, literally logged more than 1,000 days of boating time in a 4 year period. At low light you cannot see anything on the water, be it orange, red, black, green, does not matter. White is the only thing that sticks out, and even that can be hard to see in low light. The only thing you can count on seeing is something with a light on it. 8:00 PM on Pineview is getting pretty dark because of the mountains.
Also, I have hit 1 seal, a porpoise, and a couple of good size logs. When you are up on plane, they just feel like a bump, not a huge problem as one might think. I can totally see how an inexperienced boater, as ALL Utahns are, would not think to stop. It is part of my education that if you feel anything under the your boat's hull while moving, you must stop and assess the situation. Even the lightest feeling bump could have ripped a large gash in your hull and you are now taking on water. That is how I knew I hit a seal, and a porpoise cause when you stop, there they are floundering around near the surface. Still, I will emphasize that in my opinion most people would not know they hit a major obstruction, particularly if you hit a soft body, i.e. flesh of some kind.
Just my 2 cents on this.
Now, I do see this as an absolute tragedy, and I encourage all to be careful. But swimmers on a lake are like pedestrians out on the roads. Sure they have the right of way, but they better be the ones using the maximum amount of causion because they are completely un protected.
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These guys deserve to go to prison for life and beyond if they really fled after asking her if she was alright! How could someone do that? It is stuff and people like thais which make me realize the [#000050]deleted[/#000050] world is that we live in! Sure they were scared but they should have faced their crimes like a decent human being. They are less than humans beings to me and deserve whatever is coming to them in the worst way imaginable!
As for boaters, these guys need to stop acting like they own the dam water! You guys act like you have no control but in reality you have all the control! Take some responsibility for god's sake and quite putting it on the others on the water.
The worst kind of boaters are the one's that feel they have to cruise the shoreline. WHY??? There is a whole lake to fly around on (especially like Willard Bay, PV, etc.) but no they have to go right up next to shore and put numerous people at risk! There needs to be another law put into place that says they have to stay WAY more than a 1,000ft. from shorelines!
As for the swimmers. We need laws in place that require them to wear some sort of flagging/buoy thingy to make others aware they are out there. I have seen tons of swimmers (real swimmers not like little kids) at PV and I have thought to myself "hmmm, that looks a little dangerous."
I wish the water could be deemed wakeless but PV is a money maker and in a down economy that is a tough sell to say the least! This kind of thing can happen on any water where the boaters rule but at PV it seems boaters have lost their common sense.
The boat enforcement on the water at PV needs to be stepped up more than a notch or two. Too many times do I see boaters going out of their way to brush by other boaters, fisherman on tooons, and swimmers themselves. Go figure this kind of thing would happen!
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First of all this is a huge tragedy! But like many others have said they are very hard to see in a boat. The ones I encountered at DC were wearing black wet suits and caps. I for one had a very negative experience with them. Fishing near the south side of the island casting to the shoreline I had one stop look at me and then proceed to swim between me and the shore right where I was casting. RUDE! Snapped this picture of her. I was only 20 ft from shore. The rest of her group watched her do it and then swam 10 ft behind me to join her. All I could do is snap a couple pictures and laugh to myself in disbelief.
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I know they aren't motorized but I am pretty sure that it would be easier for them to see a boat than us to see them swimming. Maybe there needs to be some stiffer laws about swimming in the water? Wearing easy to see colors, towing a flag, swimming only during certain hours? It would help boaters see them and avoid them.
What is the best way to help prevent this from happening again?
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good posts!!!!!!! yeah, regs on both sides would be nice. swimmers need to be seen more clearly. but it's too easy for some kid to borrow daddys speed boat with his friends and zip around everywhere without knowing any rules or courtesy. prob not much you can do. hope they find the boat/people responsible.
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Ahh yes Kokanee! I didn't consider that perhaps the boat operator had his head stuck in the engine compartment while he was driving. Good analogy![crazy]
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So to make it difficult for the power squadron you should arrange for a handful of buddys to go to the same area and fish strategically 149 ft apart leaving no room for someone to motor through at any speed other than wakeless. Be prepared with cell phone camera and rangefinder! Let the authorities earn thier dollars with pictures and witness statements. I for one am tired of it and used to arm myself with gumballs and a slingshot. Thinking i could be actually cited for that, i now am armed electronically. Don't press me i'm ready to fight!
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