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[size 3][quote Therapist]I can go toany National Forest Campground, any National Park, Recreation area, camp, fish,boat, EXCEPT Pineview and Strawberry !!! That is screwy !!![/quote][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Well, it is (screwy) and it isn’t. You have to understand how the Federal Government works (good luck with that). I’ve talked on the phone with both AL&L and a couple of USFS Ranger Districts and I’m still somewhat
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[ol][li][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Interagency Annual Pass ($80.00) – It replaces the Golden Eagle Passport. This pass covers Standard Amenity Fees like entrance fees to the National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges and day-use fees charged at National Forests and Bureau of Land Management sites and areas. The pass is good for one year from the month of purchase.[/#800000][/font][/size][/li][li][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Interagency Senior Pass ($10.00) – It replaces the Golden Age Passport. It covers Standard Amenity Fees. The new Senior Pass is a lifetime pass available to citizens and permanent residents who are 62 years of age and older. Proof of Age is required. This pass must be applied for in-person at any Forest Service office.[/#800000][/font][/size][/li][li][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Lifetime Access Pass (Free) – It replaces the Golden Access Passport. It covers Standard Amenity Fees. The new Access Pass is a lifetime pass available free-of-charge to persons who are permanently disabled.This pass must be applied for in-person at any Forest Service office.[/#800000][/font][/size][/li][/ol]
[size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Although it says the pass will cover day-use fees at National Forests and Bureau of Land Management sites and areas, it ain’t necessarily so. [/#800000][/font][/size]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]The Annual Pass does not cover [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Expanded Amenity fees[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3] such as camping, boat launching, parking, special tours, special permits or ferries. Also, some facilities and activities on Federal recreation lands are managed by private [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]concessionaires[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]. The [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]concessionaires[/size][/#800000][/font][/url] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]charge for their services as any private company does and the Pass is not valid for their services. The Annual Pass does not cover discounts on any [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Expanded Amenity or Concessionaire (Concessioner)[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000] Fees such as: camping, RV hook-ups, boat launching, backcountry permits, parking at Mount Rushmore, guided cave tours at Wind Cave National Park, or parking at some historic monuments or homes.[/#800000][/font][/size]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]At many sites the Senior Pass and the Access Pass provide the [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]pass owner[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3] a discount on [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Expanded Amenity Fees[/size][/#800000][/font][/url] [size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000](such as camping, swimming, boat launching, and guided tours). The pass program is managed by five Federal agencies that operate under different regulations and have different fees. Therefore, the discount program for the Senior Pass and the Access Pass is not handled in the same way on all Federal recreation lands. In general discounts are honored as follows:[/#800000][/font][/size]
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[ol][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Individual Campsites: The discount only applies to the fee for the campsite physically occupied by the [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]pass owner[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3], not to any additional campsite(s) occupied by members of the [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]pass owner's[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3] party.[/size][/#800000][/font][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3][/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Campsites with Utility Hookups: If utility fees are charged separately, there is no discount. The discount may apply if the utility fee is combined (seamless) with the campsitef ee.[/#800000][/font][/size][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Group Campsites and Facilities: (including, but not limited to, group facilities, picnic areas or pavilions): There is no discount for group campsites and other group facilities that charge a flat fee. If the group campsite has a per person fee rate, only the [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]pass owner[/size][/#800000][/font][/url] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]receives a discount; others using the site pay the full fee.[/size][/#800000][/font][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3][/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Guided Tours: The pass offers discounts on some guided tours. Only the [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]pass owner[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3] receives a discount if one is offered.[/size][/#800000][/font][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3][/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Transportation Systems: (Inquire Locally)[/#800000][/font][/size][/li][li][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Concessionaire Fees[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]: (Inquire Locally)[/size][/#800000][/font][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3][/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Special Use Permit Fees[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]: (Inquire Locally)[/size][/#800000][/font][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3][/size][/#800000][/font][/li][/ol]
[size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]It’s no wonder why there is so much confusion on the part of John Q Public about where and for what his pass is honored and where it is not. Don’t forget, there are 5 Federal agencies using this pass and they all have their own set of regulations governing its use.[/#800000][/font][/size]
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[size 3][quote Therapist]I can go toany National Forest Campground, any National Park, Recreation area, camp, fish,boat, EXCEPT Pineview and Strawberry !!! That is screwy !!![/quote][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Well, it is (screwy) and it isn’t. You have to understand how the Federal Government works (good luck with that). I’ve talked on the phone with both AL&L and a couple of USFS Ranger Districts and I’m still somewhat
. The Federal Government has 3 basic passes available and they are called: [/#800000][/font][/size][ol][li][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Interagency Annual Pass ($80.00) – It replaces the Golden Eagle Passport. This pass covers Standard Amenity Fees like entrance fees to the National Parks and National Wildlife Refuges and day-use fees charged at National Forests and Bureau of Land Management sites and areas. The pass is good for one year from the month of purchase.[/#800000][/font][/size][/li][li][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Interagency Senior Pass ($10.00) – It replaces the Golden Age Passport. It covers Standard Amenity Fees. The new Senior Pass is a lifetime pass available to citizens and permanent residents who are 62 years of age and older. Proof of Age is required. This pass must be applied for in-person at any Forest Service office.[/#800000][/font][/size][/li][li][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Lifetime Access Pass (Free) – It replaces the Golden Access Passport. It covers Standard Amenity Fees. The new Access Pass is a lifetime pass available free-of-charge to persons who are permanently disabled.This pass must be applied for in-person at any Forest Service office.[/#800000][/font][/size][/li][/ol]
[size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Although it says the pass will cover day-use fees at National Forests and Bureau of Land Management sites and areas, it ain’t necessarily so. [/#800000][/font][/size]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]The Annual Pass does not cover [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Expanded Amenity fees[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3] such as camping, boat launching, parking, special tours, special permits or ferries. Also, some facilities and activities on Federal recreation lands are managed by private [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]concessionaires[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]. The [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]concessionaires[/size][/#800000][/font][/url] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]charge for their services as any private company does and the Pass is not valid for their services. The Annual Pass does not cover discounts on any [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Expanded Amenity or Concessionaire (Concessioner)[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000] Fees such as: camping, RV hook-ups, boat launching, backcountry permits, parking at Mount Rushmore, guided cave tours at Wind Cave National Park, or parking at some historic monuments or homes.[/#800000][/font][/size]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]At many sites the Senior Pass and the Access Pass provide the [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]pass owner[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3] a discount on [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Expanded Amenity Fees[/size][/#800000][/font][/url] [size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000](such as camping, swimming, boat launching, and guided tours). The pass program is managed by five Federal agencies that operate under different regulations and have different fees. Therefore, the discount program for the Senior Pass and the Access Pass is not handled in the same way on all Federal recreation lands. In general discounts are honored as follows:[/#800000][/font][/size]
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[ol][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Individual Campsites: The discount only applies to the fee for the campsite physically occupied by the [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]pass owner[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3], not to any additional campsite(s) occupied by members of the [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]pass owner's[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3] party.[/size][/#800000][/font][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3][/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Campsites with Utility Hookups: If utility fees are charged separately, there is no discount. The discount may apply if the utility fee is combined (seamless) with the campsitef ee.[/#800000][/font][/size][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Group Campsites and Facilities: (including, but not limited to, group facilities, picnic areas or pavilions): There is no discount for group campsites and other group facilities that charge a flat fee. If the group campsite has a per person fee rate, only the [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]pass owner[/size][/#800000][/font][/url] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]receives a discount; others using the site pay the full fee.[/size][/#800000][/font][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3][/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Guided Tours: The pass offers discounts on some guided tours. Only the [/size][/#800000][/font][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]pass owner[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3] receives a discount if one is offered.[/size][/#800000][/font][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3][/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]Transportation Systems: (Inquire Locally)[/#800000][/font][/size][/li][li][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Concessionaire Fees[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]: (Inquire Locally)[/size][/#800000][/font][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3][/size][/#800000][/font][/li][li][url "http://store.usgs.gov/pass/definitions.html"][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Special Use Permit Fees[/size][/#800000][/font][/url][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]: (Inquire Locally)[/size][/#800000][/font][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3][/size][/#800000][/font][/li][/ol]
[size 3][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]It’s no wonder why there is so much confusion on the part of John Q Public about where and for what his pass is honored and where it is not. Don’t forget, there are 5 Federal agencies using this pass and they all have their own set of regulations governing its use.[/#800000][/font][/size]
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