Looking for any experience with the Lund rebel xl sport 1625?
Any ideas on top speed with the 60hp vs 75hp mercury fourstroke on one.
Look's like a great boat for Utah, but I'm having some sticker shock at $25k for a pretty basic 16' "entry level" fishing boat.
Still looking for any info or ideas on the nitro z6 as well. Thanks gents.
I want a bad A looking bass boat, but deep down I think something like the Lund makes more sense for me and the family.
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Hi,
I was in your situation 2 months ago. I looked and looked and researched constantly. I saw the same Rebel model at Petersen Marine and for $25K. It was nice but too much money! So, I continued to wait until the right Lund showed up on ksl. Like you, safety, is the most important issue for me and my family. To my surprise a 17' Lund Pro Sport showed up on ksl. Good price, great boat, and most of all I feel safe when the kids are with me.
If you'd like I can take you out on it so you can see how it performs and handles the windy waters of Utah. The biggest hurdle for me is getting out since I work 7 days of the week!
Let me know what ya think!
Shaun
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My dad owns the Lund. And it is a great boat. The 60 horse feels a bit sluggish, we bought a higher torque prop, and that solved the problem. The problem with the bass boats (nitro, etc..) is that they are bass boats. They are a pain to troll in, they don't mount kicker motors real well, and they don't handle big water as well as the Lund does. Sure they won't sink, but can you fish out of them in a 3 foot chop? I recommend used as well. But if you got the coin and are needing one now, then you can't go wrong. I recommend a kicker motor for it as well. A five horse does the job real well. Bass boats are great for bass fishing and casting. There deck and stability are great. It's awful nice to be out in the rain at strawberry, or the chop at starvation and put up on the Lund and stay dry. They both have there strong suits. But one is a fishing boat the other is a bass boat.
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Thanks for your thoughts and thanks for the offer Shaun. You ever get a day off and need a boat partner shoot me a pm. I see there's a place on Powell that rents out a few Lunds as their fishing boats, including the rebel 1625 xl sport-the one I'm thinking about. I called and talked to them and they really like them. Speaks quite a bit about the boats if they're turning people loose on Powell in them. If it was so blasted hot down there right now I'd be tempted to make a run down to rent one for a day.
They look like great all around family fishing boats, but I am concerned about how they'd bass fish. Looks like they'd be hard to hold in position in the wind with the foot trolling motor. Guess there's always trade offs...
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Hell I'll sell my fully rigged Tournament 202 Crestliner for that price.
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I know it's crazy. Right around $27k out the door. Those big fourstrokes are SPENDY. Guess we can thank the govt for that. The 75hp alone is $8600!
Well, I'll keep dreaming... Scares me to think what a 2013 will run.
I'd love to buy new, but it seems to me once you drive a new boat off the lot it magically depreciates around 30%.
Maybe the "buy once cry once" theory applies to new boats.
My uncle has the same seaswirl he bought about 30 years ago. I think he's gotten his money's worth.
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Lunds are one of the most fishable boats around. If I had not gotten such a great deal on my Skeeter, I would have bought a Lund. To give you an idea, my Skeeter 1850 would cost about 40,000 to replace, the comparable Lund will be about 25,000 depending on accessories !! Don't worry about being able to hold in a wind with the electric. Most boats have at least a 12-24 system, with at least a 55 lb thrust motor. Up grade to at least an 80lb and you will be sitting in hog heaven. If you really want to have power, got to a 36volt system with 100lbs, then you will never have to worry. I would also get an electric with a longer shaft, at least 50 inches, 60 would be better. Then when you are in those 3footers and are bobbing like an apple, you will still have your prop in the water.
Regarding the Kicker. Yeah, a 5 hp will do the trick, only if you are trolling forward. If you want to back troll, you will need at least a 10 or a 15 would be better. You can still troll your flatfish and needlefish with it, but if you want to hover in the chop, the bigger motor will provide the needed power !!
Don't be shy about going to Powell right now. Fishing is hotter than the weather !! Stripers are starting to boil, bass are banging everything in sight, and the walleye fishing is the best in years. Go give that boat a work out and enjoy yourself also !!! Check out WaynesWords.com to get the latest on Powell !!!
Don't like the rivited hulls on Lunds, that's one of the reasons I went with a Crestliner.
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I bought a new Lund from Peterson back in 2006. Its a 17 foot Explorer sport with a 115 hp four stroke Merc and a 9.9 kicker, and cost me 28K out the door at the time. Its been a great boat, and I've fished my brains out on it since I bought it (see the attached pic of my dad and I at Sand Hollow a few years back). I looked at the bass boats, and while I did like a lot of their features, the fishability, tackle storage, and speed, I too just did not feel safe on them in Utah waters. I really didn't like being exposed to the weather like that! With the wrap-around windsheild on my Lund, you don't get that, and its a real nice feature. I've also found out over the years that the top speed that you can get with them (65 mph or more) really isn't a factor around here. On Powell, or some other big lakes, yes, but locally, no. I also didn't like the fact that they were fiberglass. Thats a lot more maintnance, and weight, and you really don't want to be running that hull ashore if there's no dock. I do that all the time with my Lund and don't even worry about it. My boat is very stable too. I've had three of us out on it fishing wiper boils with everyone on the same side, and its totally stable.
You can get a number of other brand aluminum boats for cheaper for sure, but my next boat will be a Lund.... they're tanks!
A few suggestions:
1) Get the largest four stroke motor that you can afford. I wouldn't recommend a two stroke.
2) Get the most powerful electric trolling motor that you can afford.
For a 16 foot boat a 24 volt electric trolling motor should suffice, but if you've got the room for a third battery, and the funds available for a 36 volt system, you may want to consider that. With a 36 volt 101 pound thrust motor, you might not even need a kicker motor depending on the type of trolling you do. I bought a 70 pound thrust, 24 volt system for my boat originally, and have since upgraded twice, and now have a 101 pound thrust 36 volt system, and almost never use my kicker motor for trolling anymore. The electric motor is much quieter, and its easier to control your speed and direction. It will get my boat up to about 3 mph in a light chop. However, if you're a hardcore troller, this might not work for you.
As others have suggested, you might want to keep an eye out on KSL, and maybe even as far as Denver, Reno, and Vegas. You might be able to get a better deal, although I had no problems with Peterson, and if you order a new one, you can get exactly what you want on it. Thats what I did, and while it took three months to get it, I ordered it in November, and got it in Feburary, I didn't miss much fishing! HTH, Fred K.
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I owned a Lund for about three years. It was the sweetest boat I've ever been in. I had the 115hp Merc with a big electric motor on the bow. It was red with gray stripes. I couldn't believe all the people that commented on how beautiful it looked. I fished Willard, Mantau,Pineview, Flaming gorge, and Lake Powell with it. I never had a problem except maybe leaving the plug out a time or two. Whoops. I bought it from Petersons like some others have for a bunch of money. However, the joy of fishing from my boat negated the cost. Like most good things it had to end because of the recession. I lost my business and the bank sent someone to tow it away. I would refer anyone who wants a great fishing boat to Lund.
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I also own a Lund it's a 1700 fisherman with 115 merc and a kicker motor. It's all set up for downrigger. And I enjoy it. Every fisherman should have one like it. Question for you 115 merc owners. What size prop. are you running? Thanks.
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Lots of happy Lund owners out there it sounds like.
If you guys stumble across any good deals please let me know.
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They must pay closer attention to boat building than catalog proofing. Anybody else notice something "fishy" in the 2011 catalog page 14. Kinda funny.
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Agreed with all other Lund owners. We have a 1800 Fisherman got it 6-7 years ago from Petersen Marine. Absoultely love the boat but as for Petersen Marine service department will never recommend them. They will sell you a boat not a problem but service isn't worth your time. Couple incidents and those were 2 too many so....
Anyways the boat is built with IPS (orginial) V-hull, fully aluminum, riveted construction. Very similiar to the Tyee. 18.6' with 96" bean, sport track system to mount trolling gear, plenty room for 4-adults. Closed and lockable storage compartments for rods and gear. Flip down seats that double into a fishing platform. We get pushed around the water with 150 4 Stroke Merc, or 4 stroke Merc 9.9 kicker, or the 80# thrust Terrova with a 24 volt system on board charing system. Based on the size of the boat your looking at an 80# thrust 24 volt system would be just fine.
Just as others have stated you can't go wrong with a Lund. Yes pricey but well worth the money and will last you a lifetime. You get what you pay for with a Lund hands down and our boat has paid for itself with the many enjoyable worry free fishing trips. These boats are well built and can handle Utah water. We've been on Willard/Pineview in some big winds and never had any problems with waves. Lund boats are made for rough conditions as far as I'm concerned.
Good Luck and again one can't go wrong with a Lund.
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I have a 17 foot Lund proV with a 60 hp merc. It tops out at 30mph but that can only be done on lower elevation waters with no more than two people in the boat and a half empty gas tank. Go for the 75 hp if it's not much more.
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Hi Cowboy,
I ran the factory prop for the first six years that I've had my 115, but just this winter I put a Mercury Marine four blade Trophy Plus on it. Wow! What a difference! I picked up a couple of mph on the top end, but the biggest gain came on the hole shot. It really gets the boat up on plane much faster than it used to. I got mine through Peterson, and while I paid about $50 more for it than I could find it for online, they let me borrow several props to try out until we found the right one for my boat. If I had ordered the prop online, I know I would have gotten the wrong one. This is one of those instances where customer service was well worth the extra $50! I would think that which ever marina you frequent would loan you a prop or two to try out. Make sure they tell you what rpm range your motor should be topping out at. Also, if it means anything to you, Mercury's stainless steel props are the only ones still made in the USA (Wisconsin). All others are from China/Singapore/Taiwan, ect... HTH, Fred K.
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Under powering a boat at this altitude is not a good idea. We lose about 15-20 % of the rated horse power due to altitude, so if you are rated for a 75 and put a 50 on it, you have already dropped the Hp. by 1/3, then drop it another 15%, you are really underpowered. People will go with the smaller motor, thinking that they will get better fuel economy, but if you are underpowered by almost 30-40%, you will eat more fuel just because you are pushing more weight with less Hp. At sea level it does not make much difference, at altitude it makes a whole lot of difference. I look at these folks that purchase these big pontoon boats with 25 or 35 hp motors. That is fine as long as the lake is calm, but if you have to get off in a big wind, you are in trouble. Power that rig to the max, then if you want to save fuel, throttle down. I run my 175 at 2/3 to 3/4 throttle most of the time, but I have all I need when I need it !!!
RapalaUT,
There are 2 new posts for Lunds on KSL. One has the dual console and the other no. Both sound like great boats to me. I have a '97 Pro Sport Adventure with a 90 HP. Its a 2 stroke but I plan on replacing that with the 115 whenever it takes a dump, hopefully not too soon! Still works great! The posting in Kanab is just like mine,but 6 years newer. I'd take a look at both of them!
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If your heart is not set on a Lund, I would suggest looking at a 17' Smokercraft at S&S Marine. Three years ago I looked at the Lund(too much money), the Crestliner and the Smokercraft. The best deal was the Smokercraft and it had the largest cockpit for room to move around in. I know there are a lot of Lund fishermen out there, but for the money, I would look further. Also, I have a 115 Merc that I can troll with at idle, i don't need a kicker motor. PM me if you have more questions or want to see my boat. I live in Draper.
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In retrospect the 60 horse compared to the 75 is an easy choice. The 60 wins for gas mileage, performance, and cost. The Lund boat only goes 3 miles faster on the top end with a 75 motor. The stock prop is not designed for that size of boat and is less then adequate. A new prop will fix that problem. Even if you change the prop on the 75, you get no top end increase. The loss in mileage, even in a four stroke means more time spent fueling or worse paying over 4 bucks a gallon for fuel at Powell. Several friends love there 100-150 horse power Lunds. That means they can pull a skier as well with that kind of horsepower. But for the cost just by another boat with an inboard motor. And use it for skiing. We get laughed at on every trip to Powell by most of our friends. The ribbing always consists of "what took you so long", or "geez we already caught our limit". Smiling and nodding your head graciously is great. On day 2 or 3, you can return the favor.
Simply wait till they need to run to get more gas, or wait till (if they were smart and brought her own gas) they need to refuel. You start by saying, "geez, have you seen the price of fuel lately?" Horse power is completely over rated when you are talking 15 horse power. You got me when you are talking 25 horsepower increases, but on that Lund the cost of the motor alone is prohibitive for 3 miles per hour more.
We run 4 people on our boat all the time. After using the lower torque prop we lost a whopping 1 mile per hour, and reallized no difference in gas consumption. On top of that they also offer the big foot motors to help with the hole shot. They are truly truck engines of the marine world. Accept you get he same or better mileage and lower top end speed.
If you want more power and like the 75 horse sticker and the extra weight, and the huge price difference.... Well I don't plan on changing your mind, but you did not come up with the coin to buy a Lund by being stupid.
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