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[#0000FF][cool]Looks like the LDS Church is downloading some prime upper Provo River land...for the development of a private yuppie retreat.

[url "http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sporting-ranch-capital-to-transform-utah-property-on-provo-river-into-premier-fly-fishing-ranch-2013-04-16"]LINK TO ARTICLE[/url]

Pretty soon Utah is going to be like some of the great fly fishing areas of Idaho...inaccessible to all but the jet set with big bucks.
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Herbert and his boys seem to be getting exactly what they want... No way to access that "pristine" area without big dollars.

Float access would surely anger a few. []
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Reading the article its not the provo river they are messing with its creating or enhancing a spring on the property isnt it?
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[quote SRCM] The Provo River offers a premier blue ribbon trout fishery just north of the ranch, which means brown and rainbow trout reach record lengths there -- a typical fish runs 18 inches or bigger.[#0000ff]..
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That's funny. Sounds like an advertisement to me. Wonder where they found those "average" 18 inch trout? They certainly weren't in the Provo!!


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Why does it need restored? Is it broken? Isn't it called stream bed alteration? Can we fish it now? Does anyone?

Please make the voices stop!
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Wow I am surprised the Church is selling the property. Are they allowed to alter stream beds? I guess I have never given it much thought but I would assume there are some strict guidlines at the least. Hmmmm this isnt great news even though I think they will have fun finding those 18" plus sized trout in that sextion unless they modify enough to make private ponds.
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[quote fish_fear_me2] Hmmmm this isnt great news even though I think they will have fun finding those 18" plus sized trout in that sextion unless they modify enough to make private ponds.[/quote]

that exactly what i was thinking, there are some 18 plus inch fish in that section but on average ive found 12 to 15 inchers and mostly wild bows.
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From the article.

"Sporting Ranch acquired the land from Property Reserve Inc., which manages real estate owned by Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Mormons rarely sell property of this ilk."


Say whatever you want about the LDS church, but their business history is pretty shrewd. I wonder if they have inside information that HB141 is about to be canned by the courts? Hmmmmmmm.


RE"Wonder where they found those "average" 18 inch trout? They certainly weren't in the Provo!! "

+1, what a joke!
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[cool][#0000FF]Yes, the LDS Church is shrewd in disposing of land that is "coveted" by others. Wait until the new buyers look over the CC&Rs very carefully.

1. All fishing guides are to be LDS missionaries.
2. There will be an opening and closing prayer for each fishing session.
3. Mandatory break at lunchtime for reading the Book of Mormon at streamside.
4. All guests must wear white waders and visit the "Baptism Hole" on the river before checking out.

Sorry about that folks. Couldn't resist. And my "thou shalt not make snarky comments" restriction in my old BYU code of conduct has just passed the statute of limitations...50 years. Anyway, if Robert Kirby can get away with it...me too.

As far as the rest of that stuff...like a plethora of 18" fish in the river...well, that's just advertising. Maybe the church didn't run those facts through the "false witness" screen.

And I just posted the link to the article. I ain't assuming no responsibility for content or accuracy...or grammar.
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The property's not even on the river itself to me. They are an investment company that "flip" outdoor property's to the upper elite.

Sounds like they intend to enhace a spring and build ponds on the property not the river, and then sell around labor day to the highest bidder.
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Now thats Funny!![cool]
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Your crackin me up TD, too funny[sly]
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RE"[#0000ff]Yes, the LDS Church is shrewd in disposing of land that is "coveted" by others. Wait until the new buyers look over the CC&Rs very carefully.

1. All fishing guides are to be LDS missionaries.
2. There will be an opening and closing prayer for each fishing session.
3. Mandatory break at lunchtime for reading the Book of Mormon at streamside.
4. All guests must wear white waders and visit the "Baptism Hole" on the river before checking out."

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[left][#FF0000]There you go, Pat. Your perfect opportunity for you and your wife to serve as a senior missionary couple. Heck, if those guys can really get the average fish to 18 inches, I'd sign up too. Although backcasting with a tie around your neck could be problematic. [/#FF0000]
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They are a busy church-business now aren't they?!

Learned recently there's plans in the works for the LDS Church to [url "http://www.cachevalleydaily.com/news/local/article_7a45edfa-9ad8-11e2-9067-0019bb30f31a.html"]purchase Utah State University[/url] and rename it BYU-Logan. Gather it would help reduce the tension and rivalries between the two schools. Maybe no more blue-water babtisms at basketball games!

Ya read it on the inerweb - you KNOW it's gotta be true![:p]


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Hmmm.

"the ranch will have 3 miles of fishable water."

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"We plan to invest $1 million to improve and enhance the property, creating 10,000 feet of spring creek along its north side."

Unless they're measuring ponds in miles, then it's probably going to be some sort of creek.

If the water originates on the property (spring), they'll be able to pond the downstream end and keep people out, even if the public gets its water back. As far as changing the waterway, I'm sure that will only be a small hurdle to obtain the proper approvals.

If I had property with a good spring, I would be inclined to make positive changes to promote fish habitat and would expect the authorities to work with me on that, especially if I'm not harming anything.

Sorry, not defending the money baggers. I hate when anything becomes unavailable, that once was. I'm just not sure about this case though. It sounds as if the property is already unavailable under our current situation, so nobody is losing anything, given the circumstance.

Who knows? Perhaps the improvements can have positive effects on upstream/downstream fish populations.

Of course if everyone gets their stream access again, it may cause some issue. That's why I bring up water originating on the property and impounding the bottom end (can't trespass on a private lake/pond for access to the stream).

It's hard to pinpoint front the article, where exactly this will take place. It only references "within a few minutes" of Victory Ranch.

If it turns out that public stream access is restored, I can only imagine that efforts will be made to ensure that public access won't be available on these "elite" sporting grounds. Geographic deterrence and isolation from legal public access spots come to mind.

This is interesting. Thanks for the link, TD.
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[cool][#0000FF]Sorry, but these days all of my "missionary" work is for the Church of the Seventh Day Angler.

I subscribe to the belief that I would rather spend Sundays fishing...enjoying God's creations...than squirming in church wishing I was fishing.

But I agree. If they could produce the "miracle of the 18 inchers" they could probably count on some converts.

And wearing a tie? Only to hold up my new William Joseph chest pack.
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[quote][#0000ff]But I agree. If they could produce the "miracle of the 18 inchers" they could probably count on some converts.
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Yup that would get them a few church goers[laugh]
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In all seriousness, if they enhance and/or develop a small spring creek for clients to fish on or fishing ponds, they certainly will keep the public off if it. And that is as it should be. However, their touting of the "18 inch fish" in the "Blue ribbon" Provo river would indicate that they are using the Upper as a draw as well. That is where their aims could collide with the stream access battle. If their ability to woo high rollers is dependent on exclusive Provo river access, they may have some issues if HB141 is shot down. .

As it is right now, the Provo river area in question is currently off limits to the public, so the sale of the land does not mean "more" fishable river was "lost".
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They already own sections of the upper Provo

The Upper Provo River Ranch is a 204 acre property located in Summit and Wasatch Counties, Utah. The ranch contains 8,400 feet of both sides of the Upper Provo River. The property also contains 8,659 feet of an Upper Provo tributary creek on the north side and 4,367 feet on the south side. Once enhanced the ranch will have over 4 miles of Gold Medal fishing

Yes its closed to the Public
that area has been closed off for some time now. Was fun prior to HB141 never caught any 18 inch trout but was fun getting the stink eye from the members up there. Im thinking this is the the area near Woodland
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Has anyone fished Falcon's Ledge? Or the other "ponds" on that private property.

With ponds, there will be plenty of 18" and larger trout to be had. They will probably be C&R on all, so these pellet fed fish do indeed get large.

Those ponds/lakes are all fed by streams.

I hate the idea of all the good fishing and hunting land being sold off to the highest bidder, but this was never ours anyway, was it?
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