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I'm hearing of an accident in an ice tent, possible carbon monoxide poisoning. Is this true? Hope it's just a rumor, heaters can be scary stuff.
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Always crack open those vents and a little bit as well the door.
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I heard it was two in the same tent, but not from any official site. Hope it's a rumor too.
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Here is the link to KSL
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So sorry to hear this news. Has anyone heard what type of propane heater they were using?

If any good can come from it, hopefully we can help educate others and the rest of us of this danger.
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That's really bad news. It has got to be just devastating for the family. Hope the good Lord will help them find comfort.

Anybody know if they were BFTers? Not that it matters, but just wondering.

I've been through the loss of a kid and the pain never goes away, it is something you just have to learn to live with. May they find peace in their hearts.

BLK
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Not good, I read part of the article , has to be devastating to the family. RIP and tight lines.
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Makes one cautious, as we all should be when we are on floating hard water. Condolences to family and friends.
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So .....

What have you guys done to ensure safety when it comes to staying warm in your ice huts or when camping in a tent? I just thought we might as well turn this into an informative thread that might help someone in the future.
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I have actually done a little experiment of my own on CO. I have a quick fish 6 and brought an expensive co detector from work with me. I believe the OSHA 8 hr average for parts per million of co is 20. I have hit 20 with my buddy heater fairly easily, it is the big ice shack so a small one would be higher. Usually they will shut off with lack of oxygen. If you run your ice auger for just one hole inside your shack it hits over 200 off the charts! 50 will kill you if your in it for any amount of time. Most of the co detectors that you buy for your home don't even go off until close to 50.
CO cannot be smelled, tasted in the air, or nothing of that nature. The first signs of it are a head ache. They say that you actually die of a painless death. It is so and happens every year to people, not just in ice huts.

First thing to do is never use a propane device in an enclosed space that isn't considered indoor safe. Indoor safe heaters and appliances have been tested and put off carbon dioxide and not large amounts of carbon monoxide. Portable heaters that are indoor safe should have low O2 detectors that turn off the unit when set off. Even my camper with a vented heater had a low O2 and CO detector. Don't skimp on safety. If your going to bring an outdoor heater inside against advise bring a CO/ low O2 detector along (dirt cheap) and vent the place like crazy. I'd turn it off at night when planning to sleep and shut everything up tight. Invest in a good sleeping bag. It wasn't even below freezing the night they died. A good sleeping bag will keep you warm way below that anyways. So that a family lost a father and son that was so easily preventable.
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Myself and a couple friends slept out on the ice that night on flaming gorge and it was actually pretty cold. We ran big buddy heaters in the tent all night with vents open and a door half open. These heaters claim to have a low oxygen shut off but i have a hard time trusting it especially after it has bounced around in the back of my truck and in my fishing sled for a couple years. Does anybody know how the low oxygen shut off works and can they fail or break?
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Rule #1. If designed and built by man it will fail.
Rule #2. Refer to rule #1.
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I'm not an engineer or a HVAC technology guy but I think you need the low 02 sensor operating for the Mr Buddy to work. Part of the process is that the heat is being used to generating a millivolt current that keeps the fuel line open. Less 02 produces less heat when fuel is burnt and the corresponding reduced current keeps the line less open. Drop the 02 low enough and the system won't allow fuel through to burn and the unit turns off. Break the low 02 sensor and no current is generated to allow fuel through. I wouldn't worry about a broken system but I imagine if the system is out of calibration it's probable possible for fuel to go through and burn at levels of 02 where it shouldn't. Maybe someone with more than a rudimentary understanding can correct/ clarify this. If I'm totally wrong speak up- I don't mind being educated on the topic.
I'm with you, I'm paranoid even with an indoor safe system and will also ventilate it just in case.
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Truly a story. Always troublesome, and happens toO easy. My style tent doesn't hug tight to the ice, so I guess that's good, plus I can't help but pop a door open every now and then (gotta fling all them fish outside). But now you'all make me worry for my son when he recedes to the tent, and the next thing I hear is heavy breathing/snoring. Guess I'll have to keep poking the bear.

So the Ceramic faced Buddy types output CO2, while the more open flame style can accumulate CO? It that what it is?

seriously?
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Good stuff guys. OSHA's 8-hour permissible exposure limit for co is 50 ppm and NIOSH's limit for idlh(immediately dangerous to life and health) is at 1200 ppm. We spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars on our fishing gear, what's say $50 for a co detector! Vent your tents!
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Dude serious someone just died and you want to make a joke about it. I will never join this site for your reasoning. You need to show some respect that is a joke of what you think is a joke.
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