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[#0000FF]The rumor mill is alive and well regarding the DWR walleye spawning program at Willard. One report I got was that over 2000 walleyes had been electro shocked from the inlet...each of the past two Fridays. And the person who reported that also said they had heard that DWR was completely removing the fish from the lake and planned to replant them in Red Fleet.

Knowing that the plans for Red Fleet were to plant only sterile new walleye hatchlings I wondered how much of the other information might be "enhanced". So I sent an email to DWR biologist Chris Penne for some clarification and updates. He quickly responded...on a couple of points...and gave his permission for me to post his statements on our board. Thanks, Chris.
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Yes, sounds like some things got lost in translation. We started our collection of spawning walleyes last week with a skeleton crew to try and get our methods down to their most efficient before the big time this week when the large crews show up. We did very well, in fact, much better than expected and were collecting about 30 to 40 female walleye per day. This means we might even be half way done already with the egg collection. Anyways, yes since we've been getting mostly female walleye in the nets that we set out in the lake, we've been taking our electrofishing boat into the inlet and shocking up a few dozen male walleye each day. This is really all the males we need. I'm sure we've only been skimming the surface of whats in that inlet, as it gets pretty deep by the baffles and our electrical field is only effective to about 5 to 6 feet deep. And again, you are correct, we're not moving any adult walleyes to Red Fleet. We're simply taking the eggs and milt and creating sterile walleye for the stocking of that reservoir. All walleye caught are being returned to the water in Willard.

I would extremely surprised if 2,000 walleye had been taken from the inlet. While most of my activity has been out there during the day, I rarely see people catching any fish. As is usual, our conservation officers have been checking the inlet frequently, day and night, in plain clothes (undercover) and in uniform, and their reports are that angler success has been fairly hit and miss. There have been a few good days, but it seems like most days last week when they were out they only observed one or two walleye caught and on stringers. Based on that, I would say 2,000 is an extreme exaggeration.

I'll provide more info on the spawning as I receive more specifics from our hatchery guys. Right now they are working on keeping up with the number of eggs we are getting and making sure they are getting the sterilization process right. We know we're doing very good on egg numbers and while I've heard a few numbers thrown around, we haven't had time to verify yet so I'm afraid any number I would give right now will either change in a few days or make me look like a liar later, so all I will say is we appear to doing very well. Also, as an FYI, we've moved our center of operations to the South Marina and are doing a lot of the actual spawning in the campground there below the S. Marina.

As I'm thinking about it, one clarification I might add is that I'm sure there are plenty of male walleye out in the main lake right now. We just aren't seeing them in our nets because the size of the opening in the nets that we are using is geared at the larger female walleye and the males seem to be small enough to fit through the net and not get stuck. That's one thing we are looking to improve upon next year is getting some additional nets that have smaller mesh that will catch those male fish. That way, we won't have to take the extra time to electrofish the inlet each day or two to get our males.

Chris
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Great news! [Smile] thanks for the update.
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]I'm with you Pat on the rumor mill. If I hear something that doesn't seem right, I'll always go straight to the source for the truth. Thanks for the effort and posting Chris' reply. Much appreciated.[/#800000][/font]
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I heard they are taking crappie out of there too. Is that true? If so that sucks.
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Yes the crappie are being directly transplanted to red
Fleet.
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Thanks for the info Pat.

That report on angler success seems to be right in line with what I've experienced and seen at the inlet when I've been there and tried it. I've had MUCH better luck along the rocks and especially in late April through June. I haven't seen more than a handful taken away from the inlet whenever I've been there.

2000 is an incredible amount of fish and it would be making news and attracting a larger horde of fisherman if it were true.

Mike
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[#0000FF]I also prefer fishing around the perimeter of Willard, rather than with hordes of my new best friends. And I have done well as early as about mid March...for the spawn-crazy smaller males...and a very few prespawn females. But, like yourself, I prefer fishing the post spawn period after about the end of April. That's when the fish are really "on the chew" and you have a better shot at catching legally...and abundantly.

I have been surprised at the low success rate...legally or otherwise...at the inlet this year. But I can assure you that it was different at the beginning of the spawn last year. There were large numbers of "anglers" snagging buckets full of large spawning females...taking them home and returning later. I got that from Ogden locals I trust. And they DID burn up the report lines to DWR. Finally got more attention and the carnage slowed down.

The good news/bad news is that the fish have evidently not shown up in numbers this year. And guys trying to fish the traditional spots around the lake have also not reported good success. The water is still too low to bring the fish in to the rocks. Thankfully DWR is already on top of it and plans to do more supplemental plantings. If it were up to the surviving walleye adults there would not be much of a successful spawn this year.
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[quote makinawfisher19]I heard they are taking crappie out of there too. Is that true? If so that sucks.[/quote]

[#0000FF]Their plan is to take about 200 ready-to-spawn crappies from Willard and plant them directly into Red Fleet.

Yeah, us crappie fans hate to lose that many fish, but it is a drop in the bucket compared to what the "happy harvesters" take home on an average day when the fish are in.

Some folks might ask "Why not get them from Pineview?" True, there are grundles of crappies to be spared from Pineview without any effect at all on the total population. But there are two considerations. First...DWR is already set up at Willard...with equipment, staffing, etc. Second, the fish have to come from waters that have been tested and certified as "disease free". Willard meets that standard. Pineview may not...without time-consuming and costly testing.
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It always makes me Sad to hear anglers complain when the DWR uses wild stock to help other fisheries get a population going.

When smallmouth bass were needed to get some fisheries going in southern Utah, the guys at Flaming Gorge also complained. Yet numerous fisheries (Minersville, New Castle, Otter Creek, Piute, etc...) have all benefited from that initial transfer of fish. How many times has New Castle been used since that initial transfer to help other fisheries? Guess what, the New Castle fishermen then took their turn to complain. Ironic.

I have no idea where the initial stock of crappie that went into Willard came from -- but they came from somewhere. Those fish probably could have gone somewhere else, and other anglers were probably upset that Willard got the stock.

Taking 200 spawning crappie from Willard won't hurt that fishery. But they will certainly help Red Fleet establish a population of crappie. That benefit will far exceed any negative effects on Willard.

Willard anglers should not be complaining about the crappie transplant. It does not "suck". Rather, it's a GREAT thing!

Don't we sit and complain all the time about the DWR's lack of "warm water" fishery management? And here they are trying to get a rennovated fishery up and going, and we're sitting back saying "this sucks".


Sad.



I'm thrilled to hear about Red Fleet and I'm excited that we're using wild stock from Willard to help support establishing Red Fleet! That's exciting!!
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I totally agree. Many multiples of 200 will be taken by anglers, probably almost every day, during the spawn at Willard.
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It seems to be the nature of man to complain.
If you are for it, I'm against it could easily be the motto for all mankind.
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[font "Calibri"]Honestly for speaking for me as stated in my post it is not about complaining when the DWR decides to stock certain species. It’s all about staying informed. I would like the DWR to be more transparent, had I known they were shocking the inlet I would have fished elsewhere for that period of time. In addition to this many of us located near Willard hold our breath each year hoping the eyes survive in numbers. The past couple years have been pretty good considering the precedent prior to 2014 was significantly lower. [/font]
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so, again, we complain when they [DWR] spend too much time in the office, and not enough time in the field. And yet when they do field work we complain that they didn't spend enough time in the office assuring that everyone knew before hand what their field plans were?


For whatever it is worth, I saw a news release earlier this month that stated the DWR would be collecting crappie from Willard in March. Do they need to be more specific with their weekly work plans for all anglers across the state? How can they possibly reach everyone to communicate such details?


Those poor [DWR] guys just cannot win. Ever.
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TubeDude or others, do you have an update on the Walleye collection and spawning program to this date?

Went to the South Marina to check on the progress last Monday the 21st when the program was to be going full steam and just saw two unmanned flat bottomed DWR boats near the trailer in the South Parking lot. It was cold and maybe was postponed for the day?

Would be interesting to know how both the Walleye and Crappie collection is going.

Thanks for any information.
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[#0000FF]I will see what I can find out from Chris Penne. Will post when I learn more.
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Spent time at the Hatchery at Springville where they are taking the eggs from Willard Bay to be hatched. What a operation. They will hatch the eggs, check to see if they are sterile, Those that are will go to Red Fleet and the other will go back to Willard or to Yuba. The project is somewhat experimental but is a step forward is the process of improving Walleye fishing in Utah. My hat is off to the DWR and those Walleye fisherman who have encourage the DWR. Thanks
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