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New waters for kokanees - doitall5000 - 04-28-2021 I saw on the news tonight, they planted 2 or 3 inch kokanees in ROCKPORT. let's spread out the boaters, I'm all for that. I'd say three years growth and it could begin. Let's hop more plantings to follow. RE: New waters for kokanees - Gone Forever - 04-28-2021 Rockport, East Canyon, Jordonelle, Electric, Enterprise, Lost Creek...As Rainman said, "lots of em". Great fish that not only provide sport and are delicious, they provide a wildlife viewing opportunity for non fishers that will encourage them to not resist funding for these kind of projects. RE: New waters for kokanees - sliverslinger - 04-28-2021 Great news! RE: New waters for kokanees - Mildog - 04-29-2021 It was only two years after kokes planted at Jordanelle and it was on for nice sized kokes and good fishing. Rockport should follow a similar path I would guess, seems to have lots of food, Rainbows do well. I would expect the Kokes to do well also!! Mildog RE: New waters for kokanees - DailyAngler - 04-29-2021 Starvation too, for a few years now RE: New waters for kokanees - 2knots - 04-29-2021 (04-29-2021, 02:51 PM)Mildog Wrote: It was only two years after kokes planted at Jordanelle and it was on for nice sized kokes and good fishing. Rockport should follow a similar path I would guess, seems to have lots of food, Rainbows do well. I would expect the Kokes to do well also!!Have you heard anything about the kokes spawning in the rivers or creeks running into the Nelle. The piece I saw on the new plants looked like they planted in the streams so hopefully they imprint to the stream and return to there for spawning. RE: New waters for kokanees - a_bow_nut - 04-29-2021 (04-29-2021, 03:40 PM)2knots Wrote:(04-29-2021, 02:51 PM)Mildog Wrote: It was only two years after kokes planted at Jordanelle and it was on for nice sized kokes and good fishing. Rockport should follow a similar path I would guess, seems to have lots of food, Rainbows do well. I would expect the Kokes to do well also!!Have you heard anything about the kokes spawning in the rivers or creeks running into the Nelle. The piece I saw on the new plants looked like they planted in the streams so hopefully they imprint to the stream and return to there for spawning. My brother is working in the Victory Ranch area and last fall they were working down by the river and he said that there were salmon all over in to pools that had spawned out and were dying off. Hopefully there is some good recruitment from these spawns and numbers will stay up in the lake. RE: New waters for kokanees - 2knots - 04-29-2021 (04-29-2021, 07:25 PM)a_bow_nut Wrote:That good news if they are on the way to a self sustaining population(04-29-2021, 03:40 PM)2knots Wrote:(04-29-2021, 02:51 PM)Mildog Wrote: It was only two years after kokes planted at Jordanelle and it was on for nice sized kokes and good fishing. Rockport should follow a similar path I would guess, seems to have lots of food, Rainbows do well. I would expect the Kokes to do well also!!Have you heard anything about the kokes spawning in the rivers or creeks running into the Nelle. The piece I saw on the new plants looked like they planted in the streams so hopefully they imprint to the stream and return to there for spawning. RE: New waters for kokanees - Kent - 05-02-2021 I don't mind kokanee being planted in lots of reservoirs, but I would also sure like to see sterile macks planted in several local reservoirs. RE: New waters for kokanees - Mildog - 05-03-2021 I went up and checked the river above Jordanelle last fall, there were quite a few kokes spawning. I have not heard and have no idea if there has been any successful return from the spawn in the river. I would be interesting no know if the DWR has any info on that. My guess is that the return in negligible not sure why but that’s my guess. I still have a theory that Jordanelle is not going to be as good as the last 3 years for Kokes. I may post something on that later after another trip or two to try and get into them. Here are a couple pics I took, there were a number of pools that had kokes spawning in the hundred yard stretch I looked at. It was hard to get pics unless the sun angle was right so I just took a couple. Mildog out RE: New waters for kokanees - wiperhunter2 - 05-03-2021 (05-03-2021, 03:46 PM)Mildog Wrote: I went up and checked the river above Jordanelle last fall, there were quite a few kokes spawning. I have not heard and have no idea if there has been any successful return from the spawn in the river. I would be interesting no know if the DWR has any info on that.Well that is great news, I think if even a few can have a successful spawn, they will over time increase their numbers, just like The Berry. Even at the Berry the DWR stocks a lot of kokes there. IMO of all the lakes they are stocking the kokes in, Jordanelle has the best chance of being a success, because of the size and depth of the lake, time will tell. RE: New waters for kokanees - Mildog - 05-03-2021 (05-03-2021, 04:46 PM)wiperhunter2 Wrote:(05-03-2021, 03:46 PM)Mildog Wrote: I went up and checked the river above Jordanelle last fall, there were quite a few kokes spawning. I have not heard and have no idea if there has been any successful return from the spawn in the river. I would be interesting no know if the DWR has any info on that.Well that is great news, I think if even a few can have a successful spawn, they will over time increase their numbers, just like The Berry. Even at the Berry the DWR stocks a lot of kokes there. IMO of all the lakes they are stocking the kokes in, Jordanelle has the best chance of being a success, because of the size and depth of the lake, time will tell. RE: New waters for kokanees - Gone Forever - 05-03-2021 The spawn will be somewhat successful due to the inlet river and it's length combined with the spawning habitat. That is the criteria, not size or depth although those are considered as the depth must be enough that oxygenated cold water remains in the water body during the summer months. Many Utah impoundments are canyon reservoirs so they are deep enough even if small. The inlet is what matters most though if any kind of self recruitment is to be attained. The Provo above Jordonelle is long, as is East Canyon Creek, the Weber River above Rockport... Those long inlet streams provide the spawning habitat and may even provide additional egg stock for hatcheries. The added Koke lakes also add security to the program. If something were to happen at the berry like a big fire upstream that acidified the waters and added silt to the river making the hatchery useless for a few years the DWR could strip eggs from these other places and keep the program going. RE: New waters for kokanees - Joe_Dizzy - 05-03-2021 (05-03-2021, 05:33 PM)Mildog Wrote:(05-03-2021, 04:46 PM)wiperhunter2 Wrote: Here's a hint to my theory for Jordanelle that might hurt Koke fishing this year and beyond. Too many hungry mouths that don't exist elsewhere. Introduced piscivorous predators that are now big enough to eat small Kokes, Namely Wipers, Tiger Musky, Splake, Cutthroats and the existing Smallmouth and Browns. In the early part of the process when Kokes were fist planted the predators were not big enough to impact it, they are now. I hope I'm wrong! I will post more on this later in another thread Good point. Jordanelle does have that "model home" feel to it at the moment... almost every gamefish in Utah swims here. I am curious to see the long term effects of Kokes in all these small reservoirs. Many are steep-sided with limited food shelves and subject to massive draw-downs which forces cyclical (negative) impacts on the base of the food pyramid. Kokes are filter feeders so their presence in large numbers really eats into the zooplankton population. On a mega-fertile, large lake like Strawberry balance can be achieved, but on smaller reservoirs with limited carrying capacity, maybe the effects on other species become real. As you eluded to... the food pyramid gets quite narrow at the top, for a reason. RE: New waters for kokanees - EyLayo - 05-04-2021 (05-02-2021, 07:49 PM)kentofnsl Wrote: I don't mind kokanee being planted in lots of reservoirs, but I would also sure like to see sterile macks planted in several local reservoirs. If I read correctly in the other thread, one of the Bear Lake biologists said they started planting macks in new waters. Causey and Stateline were mentioned. RE: New waters for kokanees - doitall5000 - 05-04-2021 I'm thinking jordanelle has Way to many different predators, let's limit the numbers please. RE: New waters for kokanees - wall3y3 - 05-04-2021 Has anyone caught any in Starvation yet? Been thinking about a trip out there to give it a shot. RE: New waters for kokanees - stan55 - 05-05-2021 I have. Don't expect a Strawberry experience but you can catch them. Same lures and tactics as the Berry work. Area by the dam and then towards the US 40 bridge have had them. Never picked up more than a couple but marked some decent schools of them. Usually 30 to 40 ft down over 60 to 80 foot depths. RE: New waters for kokanees - wall3y3 - 05-05-2021 (05-05-2021, 03:23 PM)stan55 Wrote: I have. Don't expect a Strawberry experience but you can catch them. Same lures and tactics as the Berry work. Area by the dam and then towards the US 40 bridge have had them. Never picked up more than a couple but marked some decent schools of them. Usually 30 to 40 ft down over 60 to 80 foot depths.Thanks Stan! RE: New waters for kokanees - catchinon - 05-06-2021 (05-04-2021, 12:17 AM)EyLayo Wrote:(05-02-2021, 07:49 PM)kentofnsl Wrote: I don't mind kokanee being planted in lots of reservoirs, but I would also sure like to see sterile macks planted in several local reservoirs. Which lakes did you have in mind, Kent? |