(06-15-2021, 03:47 PM)Mildog Wrote: I camped at SC side paid camp fee and boat launch fee for each day/launch
Camp and launch are separate fees. Not sure about day use and boat launch or how season passes work.

(06-15-2021, 06:11 PM)dubob Wrote: Bob,
It would be good to know what they say. In the past Boat Launch was included, then they started charging for both, I think 2 years ago. If you have America beautiful pass you get half price on camp only if single spot only no hookups. Why not discount on boat launch or other camping or free entrance with that pass? I have had people tell me they get in to parking areas for free with that pass? I can't confirm that, just what I was told??
If I can park the boat near camp-spot and leave it in the water,  they only charge for one launch fee?
Thanks for checking will be interested in what they tell you.
Mildog



I'm curious if anybody has ever contacted the Uinta-Wasatch-Cache (UWC) Forest Supervisor about any of this.  Since Strawberry is part of the UWC Forest, it would seem to me to be an issue to discuss with them.  Utah Recreation is managing Strawberry under a permit issued to them by the UWC Forest office in Soth Jordan.  And just so you know, Utah Recreation does NOT have any authority to issue citations for violations of any state or federal laws.  Only a state or federal LEO can do that.  There is a full-time Federal LEO assigned to Pineview; I'm not sure if there is one assigned to Strawberry full-time.

I agree that under AL&L management, your camping permit was your authorization to also launch your boat while you were camped there.  Utah Recreation charging the launch fee while you are camping there doesn't seem right to me and have contacted the UWC Forest Office in South Jordan for a clarification of this.  When I get a diffinitive answer on this, I'll let you know.

(06-15-2021, 05:01 PM)brookie Wrote: I have a long term campsite (3 months) at $17/day. That is for the campsite only, so I also purchase a yearly launch pass. That lets you launch, then park your truck and trailer in the marina parking lot while you are on the lake. I am not sure how the launch pass differs from a day use pass or whether both are required if not camping.
In previous years, before Utah Recreation Co got the concession launching was included with the campsite along with the waste dump fee. At first I was unhappy with the added fees, but now am not unhappy with the product. They have helpful camp hosts, the bathrooms are kept clean and for the most part things work. The fish cleaning station at the marina could use some repair but that seems to be an issue everywhere.

(06-15-2021, 05:01 PM)brookie Wrote: I have a long term campsite (3 months) at $17/day. That is for the campsite only, so I also purchase a yearly launch pass. That lets you launch, then park your truck and trailer in the marina parking lot while you are on the lake. I am not sure how the launch pass differs from a day use pass or whether both are required if not camping.
In previous years, before Utah Recreation Co got the concession launching was included with the campsite along with the waste dump fee. At first I was unhappy with the added fees, but now am not unhappy with the product. They have helpful camp hosts, the bathrooms are kept clean and for the most part things work. The fish cleaning station at the marina could use some repair but that seems to be an issue everywhere.

(06-16-2021, 12:42 AM)dubob Wrote: The UWC Forest employee who oversees the contract called me back this afternoon and we had a very pleasant exchange of information.  The UWC Forest contract involves approximately 135 campgrounds and day use areas within UWC.  The full contract is available through FOIA, but is not available through normal Internet search engines.  I don’t have the time or desire to request it through the FOIA channels.  But if you want to pursue that, please do.

The rate (fee) system is all spelled out in that document.  And according to the UWC Employee I talked to, the additional launch fee being charged campers has been on the books since 2018.  The contract also sets cost limits that the contractor can spend on maintenance or replacement/repair of equipment or facilities.  The limits are set very low which is why you will not see any major infrastructure upgrades from the contractor.

This next paragraph is just my opinion based on my own contract negotiation experience as a DoD civil servant.  The double speak for this contract says the contractor can make as much money as they can squeeze out of the customer.  The terms of the contract were negotiated between the contractor and the USDA/USFS.  Anybody here remember the $640 C-5 toilet seat and a $435 hammer purchase during the Reagan administration?  Government contract negotiators have never been known for thier economic expertise.

You can choose to take an active participation in this ludicrous situation by contacting the UWC Forest main office in South Jordan and your Federal Congressional lackeys and voice your opinion, or you can continue to urinate & moan about it on social media.  I’ve already told the UWC that I am less than pleased with the current fee system and plan to write Rep Moore and Sen Romney  and Lee about my feelings on this issue.

I may have absolutely no impact on the issue, but I will have done what I can to try to change it.  What say you?  Are you willing to at least try?

The contact at the UWC in South Jordan is Renee Flanagan (RHWL Staff Officer) at 801‐999‐2157.  If you get her voice mail, leave a request for her to call you back and she will.

(06-16-2021, 12:42 AM)dubob Wrote: The UWC Forest employee who oversees the contract called me back this afternoon and we had a very pleasant exchange of information.  The UWC Forest contract involves approximately 135 campgrounds and day use areas within UWC.  The full contract is available through FOIA, but is not available through normal Internet search engines.  I don’t have the time or desire to request it through the FOIA channels.  But if you want to pursue that, please do.

The rate (fee) system is all spelled out in that document.  And according to the UWC Employee I talked to, the additional launch fee being charged campers has been on the books since 2018.  The contract also sets cost limits that the contractor can spend on maintenance or replacement/repair of equipment or facilities.  The limits are set very low which is why you will not see any major infrastructure upgrades from the contractor.

This next paragraph is just my opinion based on my own contract negotiation experience as a DoD civil servant.  The double speak for this contract says the contractor can make as much money as they can squeeze out of the customer.  The terms of the contract were negotiated between the contractor and the USDA/USFS.  Anybody here remember the $640 C-5 toilet seat and a $435 hammer purchase during the Reagan administration?  Government contract negotiators have never been known for thier economic expertise.

You can choose to take an active participation in this ludicrous situation by contacting the UWC Forest main office in South Jordan and your Federal Congressional lackeys and voice your opinion, or you can continue to urinate & moan about it on social media.  I’ve already told the UWC that I am less than pleased with the current fee system and plan to write Rep Moore and Sen Romney (gag) and Lee about my feelings on this issue.

I may have absolutely no impact on the issue, but I will have done what I can to try to change it.  What say you?  Are you willing to at least try?

The contact at the UWC in South Jordan is Renee Flanagan (RHWL Staff Officer) at 801‐999‐2157.  If you get her voice mail, leave a request for her to call you back and she will.

(06-16-2021, 12:47 PM)fishskibum Wrote:

(06-16-2021, 12:42 AM)dubob Wrote: The UWC Forest employee who oversees the contract called me back this afternoon and we had a very pleasant exchange of information.  The UWC Forest contract involves approximately 135 campgrounds and day use areas within UWC.  The full contract is available through FOIA, but is not available through normal Internet search engines.  I don’t have the time or desire to request it through the FOIA channels.  But if you want to pursue that, please do.

The rate (fee) system is all spelled out in that document.  And according to the UWC Employee I talked to, the additional launch fee being charged campers has been on the books since 2018.  The contract also sets cost limits that the contractor can spend on maintenance or replacement/repair of equipment or facilities.  The limits are set very low which is why you will not see any major infrastructure upgrades from the contractor.

This next paragraph is just my opinion based on my own contract negotiation experience as a DoD civil servant.  The double speak for this contract says the contractor can make as much money as they can squeeze out of the customer.  The terms of the contract were negotiated between the contractor and the USDA/USFS.  Anybody here remember the $640 C-5 toilet seat and a $435 hammer purchase during the Reagan administration?  Government contract negotiators have never been known for thier economic expertise.

You can choose to take an active participation in this ludicrous situation by contacting the UWC Forest main office in South Jordan and your Federal Congressional lackeys and voice your opinion, or you can continue to urinate & moan about it on social media.  I’ve already told the UWC that I am less than pleased with the current fee system and plan to write Rep Moore and Sen Romney (gag) and Lee about my feelings on this issue.

I may have absolutely no impact on the issue, but I will have done what I can to try to change it.  What say you?  Are you willing to at least try?

The contact at the UWC in South Jordan is Renee Flanagan (RHWL Staff Officer) at 801‐999‐2157.  If you get her voice mail, leave a request for her to call you back and she will.

These comments were moderated above - man this sucks - see them for reference

(06-16-2021, 04:26 AM)BYUHunter Wrote: I will contact the UWC and voice my frustration as well. I pay for enough taxes, license fees, registration, insurance, equipment, etc. that it is one more straw on the camel's back to show up to Strawberry and have them try to double charge me for facilities where half the bathrooms are closed, and the docks are in shambles. As if they don't make enough money scalping tackle for 2x what it's worth, and charging $800 for a 1/2 day guided adventure dunking power bait.

I shared the story before, but literally being boxed by a Utah Recreation Company employee's truck last year so that he could check for my payment slip, while I was in the process of turning down into the boat ramp, really boiled me over. I'm pretty sure unlawful detainment isn't in the terms of their contract.

(06-16-2021, 02:07 PM)fishskibum Wrote: its 106 and theyre down at rio grand loading homeless peoples source of shade and belongings into dumpsters
but yeah your cost per kokanee limit and freedumbs  to use a recreational boat launch as you see fit
sure pale in comparison to their issuies and the drought
i sent a link to the thread to my congressional delegates
don't shed too much blood on this particular 1st world freedom problem
or let people know they make you gag fore ya ask em for sumthins
would be my advice