Willard Bay Fishing Factors - Printable Version

Willard Bay Fishing Factors - Printable Version

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Willard Bay Fishing Factors - TubeDude - 08-20-2024

We have had a few discussions on the board about various "fishing factors"...the things we need to know and address to insure a better fishing trip. And...wonder of wonders...the basics are the same for almost any body of water. But each water has its own unique set of potential variations and applications.

I have had a couple of requests to put together one of my PDF files on the FF for Willard Bay. Since Mama Nature is off her meds this week I haven't been able to get on the water. So I put in some time at the keyboard. Of course all of the observations and recommendations are based upon my own personal experience. I'm sure there will be differing opinions. But my aim here is not so much to supply all the answers so much as to at least identify the questions. Hope it helps somebody.[attachment=1924]

RE: Willard Bay Fishing Factors - luan87us - 08-22-2024

Thank you for a very detailed write up! One of these days I hope to be able to apply your knowledge at Willard and net myself some wipers or walleyes on my kayak. I caught wipers from shore there before but never attempted on a watercraft.

RE: Willard Bay Fishing Factors - TubeDude - 08-22-2024

(08-22-2024, 06:37 PM)luan87us Wrote: Thank you for a very detailed write up! One of these days I hope to be able to apply your knowledge at Willard and net myself some wipers or walleyes on my kayak. I caught wipers from shore there before but never attempted on a watercraft.

You're welcome. Glad you liked it. While a lot of wipers are caught from shore, more are caught by anglers afloat in a boat, float tube...or kayak. You should be able to catch more by covering more water to find the fish. In case you haven't seen this posted in the past, here is my PDF on Willard Wipers.[attachment=1925]

RE: Willard Bay Fishing Factors - JazzyM - 08-22-2024

Great write ups Pat!

RE: Willard Bay Fishing Factors - TubeDude - 08-22-2024

(08-22-2024, 09:33 PM)JazzyM Wrote: Great write ups Pat!

Thanks. Enjoyed your report on the high country too. Purty pics. I used to spend a lot of my (younger) time roaming the mountains and waving a fairy wand for those pretty little troutlets. Got lots of goldens in California Sierras. Also lotsa brookies and few hefty browns.

RE: Willard Bay Fishing Factors - JazzyM - 08-23-2024

(08-22-2024, 09:43 PM)TubeDude Wrote:
(08-22-2024, 09:33 PM)JazzyM Wrote: Great write ups Pat!

Thanks. Enjoyed your report on the high country too. Purty pics. I used to spend a lot of my (younger) time roaming the mountains and waving a fairy wand for those pretty little troutlets. Got lots of goldens in California Sierras. Also lotsa brookies and few hefty browns.

Look at you with those fine Cali trout! I do miss the sierras and especially the goldens. And, the openers. The good old days. The Uintas are a great substitute, I love it there.

RE: Willard Bay Fishing Factors - TubeDude - 08-23-2024

Bad form to reply to your own post. But thought this might be helpful. I sent a copy of my new writeup to Chris Penne...of DWR...for his review and critique. Here are his comments. As always, we appreciate Chris' willingness to keep us informed.

Thanks for sharing and the opportunity to read, Pat. This will be a great resource for anglers. You did a great job covering the history of Willard, different species and their habits and techniques to fish for them. I've pasted a few comments below - feel free to take em or leave em.

Page 2 - Transition - Our experience is perch are usually spawning after walleye - we'll occasionally find them laying eggs masses on our gill nets as we are wrapping up walleye spawning activities. I suppose it's possible you have been noting some earlier spawning activities in the marina areas since those tend to warm up a bit faster or you might be seeing some prespawn activity like in walleye. I'm aware they are definitely easier to find this time of year in some aggregations. In the main lake, they're usually spawning hot on the heels of the walleye spawn.

"You wouldn’t think fish would be as sensitive to pressure changes in
the air but they do seem to respond. For this reason I try to time my fishing trips for a time
after two or three calm days…well after any front has moved through." - I agree with this one 100% . There have been a few studies done by fisheries scientists on this one and with the large datasets at hand, there hasn't been any real conclusive evidence that angling success changes with pressure. My experience as an angler is different though where it seems to me my success definitely goes down right after low pressure systems role through, especially at Willard. I'm wondering if perhaps the studies are obscured by something like the 80/20 rule where 20% of the anglers catch 80% of the fish. The anglers that are generally pretty successful can tell and experience a difference, but I'm wondering if the catch rates for the more casual angler don't change much based on weather. They might have not caught a fish even in good weather conditions or perhaps they catch equally well or poor regardless of conditions. These studies are usually just data mining with data that was already collected from creel surveys, so the fishery scientists can only work with the data given instead of designing an ideal study. So since the casual anglers are much more numerous than the consistently successful anglers, I'm thinking this overpowers any effects that might otherwise be detected.

"Willard’s gizzard shad spawn over a several week period…usually beginning sometime in April and sometimes extending into June." - Well said. We've documented up to four different cohorts spawned during a season by they shad. Cohorts in this case would be a group of fish spawned at the same time.

Page 8 "And the predatory walleyes and catfish grew larger and fatter on an abundant diet
of crappies…of all sizes." I wasn't around then, but from the historical fishery reports, I've read, at least for the walleye, they likely got bigger due to having more transitional forage like mid-size perch and more abundant crappie. However, the reports indicated there were also enough lean years with skinny walleye. It was this feast and famine that supposedly lead to the introduction of shad as a more stable source of forage. It should be noted that fisheries scientists have documented shad having an impact on juvenile crappie success, so - usually larval shad competing with larval crappie for food. So it was known at the time that crappie populations would likely take somewhat of a hit from the introduction of shad. Crappie obviously still have some good year classes from time to time, but it's not as common.

Take care,

Chris