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Smart fish? - ceedubya - 05-24-2007
I went into sportsmans warehouse today to get some goodies. And as I walked in the door they have the fishin report board. Next to that they have a case with diffrent and effective lures and setups. I noticed my favorite spinner since I was a kid. I don't think I have a secret or anything but I swear by it and so do many others I've met. Made me want to pick some up. I couldn't sold out. (so was tons of stuff/ memorial crowd). I was wondering do you know of any oldtime lures that used to but just don't catch fish anymore? Im sure a particular fish can educate its self on weather food is a lure or not. Or is it fisherman loose confidence in a lure? (but it will still catch fish)
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Re: [ceedubya] Smart fish? - Tarponjim - 05-24-2007
There's a whole host of jigs that the Gorge lakers won't hit very often any more, and some of them used to be magic. But, those are fish that got caught over and over again on the same jig, for many, many years. Most fish don't live long enough to be that conditioned or educated.
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Re: [ceedubya] Smart fish? - TubeDude - 05-24-2007
[cool][#0000ff]As Jim points out, some fish (like macks) live a long time and develop instincts and reflexes against hitting lures that once "bit them". They do not have brains large enough or complex enough to actually remember.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I have been fishing almost 60 years and I have seen a whole lotta new stuff come and go over the years. Many new lures are better at catching fishermen than fish. But, some of the old "tried and true" stuff continues to work year after year. The fact that not as many fishermen use them is more a matter of fickle fisherman than the lures not working any more. Anglers are easily swayed by advertising and like to thnk that they are always using the latest and greatest.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I learned to fish for trout by using an old Colorado spinner with a piece of worm on it. Still deadly wherever trout live. My first flies were some woven hair flies called "Sandy Mites" and "Lady Mites"...by Dan Potts. These flies still produce. I later learned to throw "red and white wobblers"...early spoons made by the Eppinger Dardevle company. I have since learned to paint my own spoons and they all work...especially the red and white models.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Who could ever do without Mepps and Panther Martin spinners...or Roostertails? They have been around forever and should still be here when we are long since gone. And, we can't forget the good old "Super Duper". These simple "tie clasp" designs are imitated in various types and colors by several other manufacturers these days...and they all work.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Possibly one of the all time champs...for longevity and continued effectiveness..is the good old Flatfish. You won't find many old tackleboxes at estate sales or yard sales that don't have Flatfish in at least a few colors. There have also been a lot of "knockoffs" on the original design.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Rapalas? You ain't a true angler if you don't have some of those in your arsenal. And, they have been around for a long time. Lots of copycats and imitations too. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Every once in awhile I go a tackle "reorganization" and I find stuff that I haven't used for a long time. Invariably I take a trip back through memory lane and remember that I used to use it and catch fish on it. Sometimes I force myself to put it back into my active lure boxes, and use it again. All too often I just leave it in the "old memories" department, to continue to age gracefully. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]It can be tough when a fisherman is creative and innovative. it is especially difficult when you make much of your own stuff, like I do. I am always tinkerin' and experimentin' with new ideas. Fortunately, much of it works, and I enjoy fishing on the "cutting edge". And, in the limited confines of a float tube, there just ain't room for all the stuff you might possibly need on every trip. You can't take it all. [/#0000ff]
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Re: [TubeDude] Smart fish? - ceedubya - 05-24-2007
How old would you say a brown or rainbow will live to be? (in a river)
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Re: [ceedubya] Smart fish? - TubeDude - 05-24-2007
[cool][#0000ff]There are a lot of variables that can affect how big and how old trout will become. Water temps, current speed, food sources and length of effective growing season are some of the main factors. Of course fishermen and natural predators can shorten a fish's life span too.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]According to several sources I have checked, both browns and rainbows can mature and start spawning at 3-5 years of age, regardless of size attained. They are considered at their peak at the 5-7 year old range and most decline and die within 7-10 years. Rainbows have been observed spawning as late as 11 years of age, and browns another couple of years...13 years old.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Browns are a lot more stable throughout their range than rainbows. Since most rainbows are from hatchery stock, and because there are so many different strains of these hatchery pets, longevity and size can be all over the place. Many hatchery rainbows are bred for quick growth and fast harvest. Even if they are not extracted from the water by anglers, they do not live as long as pure strain wild fish. [/#0000ff]
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Re: [TubeDude] Smart fish? - ceedubya - 05-24-2007
Thanks for the info. I dont think to many brows enjoy 10+ yrs in the Weber. Im far to good for that to happen
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Re: [ceedubya] Smart fish? - TubeDude - 05-24-2007
[cool][#0000ff]Glad you do your part to maintain the balance. DWR plants those rainbows for anglers to harvest. If you didn't help remove a few they would crowd out all the browns and whitefish...and we would be up to our basses in 'bows.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I would guess that very few hatchery rainbows in Utah live more than a couple or three years. There are some, and they get big and feisty. Those triploid 'bows in the berry are a good example, but I still doubt they reach 10 years old. They just grow faster because they do not stop eating to go into a spawn. [/#0000ff]
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