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What is the best place to add weight? - spoondog - 10-31-2009
So i am new to fly fishing. I go out at least once a week and always catch 1 or 2. my question is when im nymphing with 2 flys i usually fish with 1 or 2 B size slit shot weights depending on depth and current. I put them about 8-12 inches above my top fly. Is this the best way to do it or should i add extra tippet below my bottom fly so it drags? Is that enough weight to get down in those deep holes where the fish are?
I think this is my biggest problem in not catching as many fish. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks
Also looking to hit up the middle weber by rockport this afternoon if anyone would like to join in. Probably going around 2 till dark.
Thanks again, Stephen
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Re: [spoondog] What is the best place to add weight? - Tarponjim - 11-01-2009
I always added the shot in between the two flies. However, if you're new to the game, I'd stick with one fly. You'll learn a better presentation, have less casting tangles, and can adjust your weight according to water depth and speed. The ideal weight drifts naturally just above the bottom in most cases.
Remember, its more about your drift (usually a dead-drift) than any other factor. Pick a fly you know that works, and more importantly that you have confidence in. You'll fish "better" with a fly you believe the fish will eat, and therefore will likely get more takes because you'll try harder to get the right drift.
Thousands of flies and riggings will catch lots of fish. It's HOW you present the offering. And if you do that correctly, you sure as heck don't need two flies. One presented right is better than more presented wrong.
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Re: [Tarponjim] What is the best place to add weight? - spoondog - 11-01-2009
Thank you for your help. I have always used 2 flys when fishing, and usually at least once or twice get tangled up somehow. I will try your suggestion on my next outing and hopefully improve my success.
Thanks again, stephen
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Re: [spoondog] What is the best place to add weight? - sinergy - 11-02-2009
For me it depends on the depth of the water and type of nymph Im fishing. If im fishing for example scuds or sows I usually want them to bounce on the bottom So Ill pinch on 2 even 3 size B split shots especially on faster water.
I usually tie an overhand knot 4 inches from first fly and pinch on the weight above it. That way I can adjust the weight up or down my leader with out the weight getting to close to the first fly.
In a tandem rig I usually never weight my second fly I like it to drift higher in the water column that way Im able to cover 2 depths at once.
For streamers Ill pinch the weight right in front of the fly giving it a diving motion similar to a wounded bait fish.
You want to get your flys down to were the fish are. The trick is to weight it just enough so the currant drifts your fly down stream with out it getting snagged.
Since rivers vary in depth its a good idea to carry something to remove split shots.
I use a Benchmade knife I know they make special split shot removable tools but I find carrying a good knife with you comes in handy.
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Re: [spoondog] What is the best place to add weight? - HFT - 11-04-2009
Keep the 2 flies. adjust weights #1, if you are only using B size you are limiting your ability to get a drag free drift next to the bottom, should be using a variety of sizes. I use #1 and #4 the most and just add more as needed. Adjust leader length #2, aprox. twice the depth of the water you are fishing. #3 change fly patterns.
Every river and every hole in that river is different adjust accordingly.
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Re: [HFT] What is the best place to add weight? - richyd4u - 11-05-2009
Always nymph with two flies! You are right on with putting the splits above the FIRST fly. I put my splits about 6-7" above my first fly. Everyone else I have ever fished with does the same. It produces. Good luck.
-Rich
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Re: [spoondog] What is the best place to add weight? - spoondog - 11-05-2009
Thanks everyone for all of the responces to my post. It really does help so I can start heading in the right direction and catching more fish. Hopefully I will be able to start posting up a few more successful trips.
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Re: [richyd4u] What is the best place to add weight? - flygoddess - 11-05-2009
Richy, we are on a roll...I agree 100% with everything you just said......See you can teach a........ oh never mind[laugh]
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Re: [spoondog] What is the best place to add weight? - HFT - 11-06-2009
I used to put the sinkers 8 to 12 inches above the first fly most of the time but now
I rarely use that rigging. Today on the Weber there was a lot of moss covering the
bottom of the river,I would have spent the whole day picking off moss from my flys
with that rigging. Not my favorite thing to do!!! I use what they call the U-Bangy rig
the most now. Still the 8 to 12 inches between fliies and between fly and sinker but the
sinkers are the last thing and the moss is not an issue.
Weber Report:11-5-09
The White fish were thick in the holes and the water was very low and clear.
Every other cast was a hookup but only one Cutthroat. small sow bugs were the flies
of the day.
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Re: [flygoddess] What is the best place to add weight? - richyd4u - 11-09-2009
WOW! Let me just take this moment and savor it......mmmmm......[laugh]
-Rich
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Re: [HFT] What is the best place to add weight? - sinergy - 11-09-2009
Very interesting would like to know more about this U-Bangy rig Are you adding leader to the second fly then adding weight ? Or is it like the Provo bouncer ?
I also spoke with a guy on the Provo who said the Provo bouncer should not be called the Provo bouncer if anything they should call it the Montana bouncer cause guys were using that rig long before they were fishing the Provo ...LOL
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Re: [sinergy] What is the best place to add weight? - flygoddess - 11-10-2009
It goes by many names. I learned it as the PROVO RIVER BOUNCER.
The only way on mossy water, and awesome on rocky bottoms.
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Re: [sinergy] What is the best place to add weight? - HFT - 11-10-2009
Most commonly called Tetoning. The Montana guides Call it U-Bangy for the Utah boys that go up their fishing with them.
Start off with your regular 9' tapered leader attach 1/2" round foam indicator by running leader through it and run the line back through the same direction so you can adjust it. On the end attach 3' to 4' of tippet with a double surgeon knot. Fold the tippet in half about 1' below double surgeon knot tie double surgeon loop,this should give you a really big 1.5' loop. 6" below D.S. loop cut the line, the 6" line is to attach your attractor fly(but after all tied) 9" below D.S.loop fold the remaining line in half again and tie another D.S. loop again cut 6" below knot. this is to tie your trailer pattern. 9" below tie a knot,sinkers will go above knot so as to not slide off.
Generally I fish heavier weights than the other way.
The strike indicator is usually closer to the flies also.
The other day on the weber the water was 3' my indicator was only 4' from sinkers.Even in a 4' hole I left the indicator at 4' because the water was running slower. adjust for every hole,should bump bottom every other cast.
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Re: [HFT] What is the best place to add weight? - flygoddess - 11-10-2009
Cool, not the Provo River Bouncer. Neat Idea using one long piece and keep looping and cutting rather than (like the PRB) just tying tags.
Basically the same thing however.
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Re: [HFT] What is the best place to add weight? - richyd4u - 11-11-2009
Wow, that made my head hurt! [laugh] eyes tu tupid 2 wemeber dat.........leader, tippett, fly one, tippet, fly two........ahhh....I feel better now. [laugh]
-Rich
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Re: [richyd4u] What is the best place to add weight? - HFT - 11-11-2009
I know it sounds we Todd did. but try it ,you'll like it.
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