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217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - BigBassaholic - 11-09-2009
I just got this pic on my cell phone. It says it was shot just outside of Hamilton. I dont know where Hamilton is but big wolf.
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Re: [BigBassaholic] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - toyguy - 11-09-2009
It's in Montana. 'Bout 50 miles due south of Missoula. Borders the Bitterroot NF.
Wolf country...
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Re: [BigBassaholic] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - Wyobraz - 11-10-2009
LMAO,
217 lbs ??????
Since wolves have to be reported to the Montana authorities so they can examine the body, if this animal were anywhere close to this weight it would have made national headlines.
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Re: [BigBassaholic] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - Theekillerbee - 11-10-2009
Don't really care how much it weighed, I'm just glad it is done harassing game animals!
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Re: [Wyobraz] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - BigBassaholic - 11-10-2009
You got everything that was on my message that went with this pic.... I am sure if this is true it will make news somewhere..... Looks like a big wolf to me.... I dont know who-what-when-just where and weight. I am gonna search the net and see if I find out anything else.....
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Re: [Theekillerbee] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - RILEYFISH - 11-10-2009
+1
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Re: [BigBassaholic] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - fishjon - 11-10-2009
Glad they got it. Doesn't look 200+ to me. They are just standing 10 yards behind it.
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Re: [Theekillerbee] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - dma_ayotte - 11-12-2009
ITS ALWAYS great to see a dead wolf......Lets see what's that song???????????? OH yes!!
"Another one bites the dust!"
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Re: [dma_ayotte] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - Urfishesdaddy - 11-12-2009
The only good wolf is a dead wolf or one in a zoo.
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Re: [Urfishesdaddy] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - dma_ayotte - 11-12-2009
+1
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Re: [Urfishesdaddy] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - fsh4fun05 - 11-14-2009
I'm not trying to start an argument, I want to make that very clear, I am simply uneducated about wolves. I'm sure there are just as many people who disagree with you as agree with you but what I was hoping to gather is what is the problem with wolves? Are they that much of a nuisance? Is there a season on them or is it like the 'yotes? If I remember right it was the trusty government that placed the wolves in certain locations (Wyoming?) but now they are spreading and, from what I gather, causing trouble. Are they protected in any way because they were 'planted'? How far have the wolves 'migrated'?
lmao, is a wolf a four legged burbot?
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Re: [fsh4fun05] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - Theekillerbee - 11-14-2009
I wolf is worse than a burbot...more like a four legged useless piece of (add your own explicative here)! When it used to be possible for a balance to exist with the once common timberwolf, our beloved government decided that the much larger Canadian Grey Wolf was a good choice to reintroduce to our country. Big mistake there. They are super predators on an already over stressed wildlife herd. There can be no balance in the current system. Too many human variables that limit winter range as well as animal production.
Wolves can now be shot on sight in certain areas of Wyoming, outside of the established wolf reintroduction perameters...however this changes as liberal judges in Colorado seem to like to legislate from the bench and tell people in Idaho and Wyoming how to manage their animal population.
Tree huggers are just like terrorists...they whine and complained about getting wolves back into Yellowstone, they agreed to the original managment plan as well as the wolf number objectives, but when those objectives were all met, they scream and cry that the numbers are still not high enough, and they fight tooth and nail to continue to protect those non-native peices of crap that kill relentlessly and leave many animals to die with just a portion of thier guts hanging out. You cannot make tree huggers happy, they just continue to want more. So our spineless government continues to appease, and the tree huggers continue getting more and more, and we as the general public get less and less.
If you are offended by my statements, look up the original wolf plan, and then compare them to numbers now...all goals were met, so kill all the rest of them! I personally think that the reintroduction should have only been done with spayed and neutered animals...then the tree huggers get to sit back and watch thier beloved animals, while wildlife officials maintain careful control of populations.
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Re: [fsh4fun05] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - CROSSINEYES - 11-14-2009
yube tube wolves killing elk. google same. see for your self what they do.
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Re: [fsh4fun05] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - dma_ayotte - 11-14-2009
Here is a very good website about the wolfs. It will give you collared information on where wolves go and travel. It will also show you how these wolves kill just to train there young or for fun. It will tell you how wolves will tear out the baby's out of the elk and deer and just leave the mothers sitting in blood alive to die... These animals are destroying our herds... Whatever you want to know this website will show and tell you, you just have to look around it and search it where there is A LOT of info on this one site....
http://www.huntwolves.com/
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Re: [Theekillerbee] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - RILEYFISH - 11-14-2009
WOW. You summed it up pretty dang good TKB. Nice Job!!!
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Re: [Theekillerbee] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - Wyobraz - 11-15-2009
TKB,
You CAN NOT shoot a wolf in Wyoming. They are still a protected species under the Endangered Species Act. You will go to prison for being caught shooting a wolf in Wyoming at this time.
Wyoming's management plan was not accepted by the US Fish and Wildlife Service when they de-listed wolves in Idaho and Montana earlier this year. Therefore Wyoming wolves will be on protected under the ESA until either we come up with a management plan that is accepted, or the state of Wyoming wins the lawsuit that they have recently filed to force the Feds to accept our current plan.
Oh ya one last thing. The judge was actually from Montana and his name is Donald Molloy.
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Re: [Wyobraz] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - Theekillerbee - 11-15-2009
Sorry Braz, I guess I didn't hear about the feds not accepting the plan...that's really too bad. So I guess for you guys the plan is still the triple S plan???[
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Re: [Wyobraz] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - jigs - 11-15-2009
if i remember right it wasnt anything to do with wyoming conservation plann it had to do with the estimated number of wolves in wyoming and "the number needed to keep a healthy population". why we would ever want a healthy population i dont know. as for the 200 + pound wolf i would imagine it is very possible that one be that big. there is a picture of one a bft family member shot on the idaho site and the f&g said it was a 1 1/2 year old and was around 80 lb now imagine what a 5 year old fully mature mail that had just gorged on 40lb worth of meat.
here is another good site [url "http://saveelk.com/wolf_007.htm"][#212126]http://saveelk.com/wolf_007.htm[/#212126][/url]
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Re: [jigs] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - Wyobraz - 11-15-2009
Sorry, but the main reason that Wyoming's plan was not accepted is because we want a duel status of both Predator and Trophy. It has nothing to do with the number of wolves in our state.
Predator status would allow us to shoot on sight 24/7/365 just as we do with coyotes in a majority of the state.
Our plan was accepted when delisting first took place in 2008, and was one of the biggest reason the wolves were placed back on the ESA by Molloy in the summer of 2008. The USFWS orginally had denied our plan prior to delisting in 2008 but eventually changed their mind and allowed our plan. Judge Molloy ruled that the USFWS was in error for allowing a plan that they had orginally denied.
This go around the feds would not approve our plan because of the unchanged Predator status. Wyoming is standing their ground by stating that once a species like wolves have met their reintroduction requirements, we should be allowed to manage wolves however we want as long as the population does not fall below an agreed population.
The eco terrorist groups are suing to place the wolves back on the ESA because of the technicality. The ESA says the Government can not delist a species along political lines. The eco terrorist groups lawsuit makes the point of how can a wolf become endangered then be hunted just by crossing a imaginary boundary.
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Re: [fsh4fun05] 217 lb WOLF shot near Hamilton, see pic - fsh4fun05 - 11-15-2009
I looked at those sites and a couple others that I found on a Google search and I can see why there are wolf haters. They showed evidence of the damage the wolves are causing and videos of population increases of wolves vs. declining big game species not only in the USA but also Canada. I watched a video, more like a news story, that showed a chart where collared wolves have been and it is very apparent they are smart, sneaky killing machines. Of course, you can't blame the wolves. They do what they do and they are on top of the food chain and only the strong survive to breed. This in mind I searched through some 'save the wolves' websites thinking I might see the other side of the story. All I could find was videos about how pretty they were and how I could donate to save the wolves. They stated that there was a misconception about wolves but never once did I read or watch anything that would make me think that they were anything less than a majestic top predator. I agree that they are beautiful animals and they have their place in the whole scheme of things but the population has to be controlled.
Wolves should be left to be wolves where they where introduced whether you like them or not. Statements like "the only good wolf is a dead one" or similar is just plain ignorant, they have their place in this world just like you and I. However, after research, I found that wolves outside of their designated boundaries can and will do harm to other native species, specifically big game animals. You can't expect a wild predatory animal to stay within a certain area, I'm sure it's in their genes to spread out and want to take over just like the (fill in the blank [laugh]) without any disregard or reason to feel that they shouldn't. They don't know any better.
Summary of my research: More questions. I agree that wolves are a nuisance outside of there protected areas but how long will it be until there is nothing left for the wolves to feed on in those areas? What would one of these 'wolf lovers' say when a wolf eats their dog? No need to answer that. Is it best to protect a species when it would rather eat you than starve? I wonder how wolf tastes...lol.
I'm still looking into this, I find it very interesting. That and I'm off work right now and have nothing else to do except fish and play Fallout 3.
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