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beavers are a pain!!!! - leaky - 08-22-2003
Sorry for the length, but I just couldn't resist!!! This is the best I've heard in a long time!!!
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[font "Arial"][size 2]A real example of the eRumor as it has appeared on the Internet:[/size][/font] [font "Arial"][size 2]
Subject: Go Figure
This is a copy of an actual letter sent to Ryan DeVries, from the
Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan. Wait
till you read this guy's response - but read the entire letter before
you get to the response.
Mr. Ryan DeVries
2088 Dagget
Pierson, MI 49339
SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;
Site Location: Montcalm County
Dear Mr. DeVries:
It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality
that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced
parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner
and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:
Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet
stream of Spring Pond.
A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A
review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued.
Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in
violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource
and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994,
being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws
annotated.
The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially
failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at
downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently
hazardous and cannot be permitted.
The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities
at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by
removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel.
All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2002.
Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so
that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure
to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the
site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement
action.
We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative
Land and Water Management Division
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RESPONSE:
Dear Mr. Price,
Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;
Montcalm County
Reference your certified letter dated 12/17/2000 has been referred to me
to respond to. First of all, Mr. Ryan De Vries is not the legal
landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan.
I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State
unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris"
dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond.
While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I
think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of
natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your
department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any
place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could
ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam
ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their
dam work ethic.
As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must
first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam
activity. My first dam question to you is:
(1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers? or,
(2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said
dam request?
If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through
the Freedom of Information Act I request completed copies of all those
other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we
will see if there really is a dam violation of P! art 301, Inland Lakes
and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act,
Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.3010,1 to
324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several
concerns. My first concern is aren't the beavers entitled to legal
representation?
The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay
for said representation - so the State will have to provide them with a
lawyer.
The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed
during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a
natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In
other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than
harrass them and call their dam names. If you want the stream "restored"
to a dam free-flow condition - please contact the beavers - but if you
are going to arrest them they obviously did not pay any attention to
your dam letter (being unable to read English).
In my humble ! opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build
their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green
and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I do to live
and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and
Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the
natural resources
(Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams).
So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be
referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until
1/31/2002 The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and
there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them
then.
In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real
environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears.
Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you
should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone.
If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The
bears are not careful where they dump!)
Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to
contact you on your answering machine, I am sending this response to
your office via another government organization - the USPS. Maybe,
someday, it will get there.
Sincerely,
Stephen L. Tvedten
The University of Texas at: Austin
Office Community Relations/Accounting unit
P.O. Box 7367
Austin, TX 78713
O thus be it ever, when free men shall stand; Between their loved homes
and the war's desolation; Blessed with victory and peace, may the
heaven's rescued land; Praise the power that hath made, and preserved us
a nation. Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just; And this be
our motto,
"In God is our Trust"; And the Star Spangled Banner in triumph shall
wave, O'er the land of the free & the home of the brave. (last verse of
the National
Anthem)
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Re: [leaky] beavers are a pain!!!! - FrozenFish - 08-22-2003
Very funny. Thanks for shareing that with us Leaky
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Re: [leaky] beavers are a pain!!!! - kidsnme - 08-22-2003
That was Dam good
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Re: [kidsnme] beavers are a pain!!!! - cableguy - 08-22-2003
So what happened to the dam beavers? I mean the beavers dam?
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Re: [leaky] beavers are a pain!!!! - cat_man - 08-22-2003
That was great leaky! I laughed my head off several times reading this man's response! Is this a great story or did it really happen (I wouldn't be surprised! lol)?
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Re: [leaky] beavers are a pain!!!! - leaky - 08-22-2003
[font "Arial"][size 2]The Truth
[#000080]Both letters are authentic although slightly different than their originals. Stephen Tvedten says the beavers that built the dams on his property were killed by his neighbor who was then concerned about what would happen to the abandoned dams. The neighbor lived downstream where any debris from the dams would go if they disintegrated. Tvedten says his neighbor told the state authorities that he had seen Tvedten tending to the dams and reported him. A spokesperson for the state, however, says there was evidence that the dams had human intervention, namely the installation of some 2 x 4's. According to state law, beaver dams cannot be built or maintained except by beavers. On Tvedten's website, he has a copy of an email sent by the Michigan office to someone inquiring about the beaver dam letter and that says Tvedten had been seen maintaining the dams. Tvedten's response was that they were "dam" liars. [/#000080][/size]
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Re: [leaky] beavers are a pain!!!! - lonehunter - 08-22-2003
just a little input on beaver dams , we had a beaver dam break in the upper half of michigan ( da' u.p. ) the water from that dam traveled downstream and took out not one but two man made dams , snowball effect (only melted , lol )
this destroyed roads , bridges , homes , and the once vibrant fishing eco-system that used to thrive there . everything washed away .
i saw some beavers along side the road the other day , i think it was for comunity service , maybe they needed a permit .[
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Re: [leaky] beavers are a pain!!!! - shark_hunter - 08-23-2003
THANKS FOR SHARING I LAUGHED MY DAM HEAD OFF
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Re: [leaky] beavers are a pain!!!! - BEARCLAW - 08-23-2003
That was great... There's no room for nature in government. I mean government in nature....
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Re: [BEARCLAW] beavers are a pain!!!! - neveronsunday - 08-23-2003
[#ff0000]There are a bunch of those damming beavers in those damdable hills east of Manti and Mayfield that have created some great fishing holes. [/#ff0000]
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Re: [leaky] beavers are a pain!!!! - polokid - 08-25-2003
How dare wild creature imped on our lands!!!!! It is amazing that the govt, is even willing to pick fights with natural occuring events.
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Re: [leaky] beavers are a pain!!!! - wetwaders - 08-25-2003
Thanks still laughing!
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