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Did anyone fish the middle weeb today, I went up from 630 this morn till 12 and landed no fish had a few hits but that was it. Caddis were coming off like crazy and fish were rising! I just want to know how everyone did and if you did well what were you using and how were you fishing it. Im about to give up on rivers for a while, just frustrated and need a break from the skunking. Last four trips to the weber Ive caught 1 fish in about 10 hours of fishing [mad]
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Ya that's frustrating. I fished the Lower Section. Caught 2 browns 1 Cutt and 4 White Fish in about 5 hours of fishing. What were you using?
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Dude come with Bryce and I... That's the only river I have been fishing lately. If the caddis hatch is to heavy on top for dries I have had better success nymphing with caddis pupas and sow bugs. The dry fly fishing didn't start until around 3 and if I didn't snap off my two elk hairs it would have been much better! The lower is always producing fish on sows... We need to plan a day and get out soon!
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Steve you need to get out with us for sure!! the middle weeb has been good to me as of late. As soon as the caddis come out the fish get very aggressive. My guess is they are taking emerging pupa. I have had little success fishing dries during this hatch, however, nymphing a sow with a sparkle pupa trailing has been absolutely dynamite. Fish faster water as that is where you will find a majority of the caddis.
Like Tyler said... it is possible to catch them on top using an elk hair 16 but nymphing has proven much more effective for me.
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Yes I so need to get out with you guys, I only switched to a dry after not getting anything on the caddis pupa, I just think the pupa was too big It was like a size 12 or 14 but thats just the way it goes sometimes,let me know when you guys go out again maybe ill give it one more shot! [bobdumb]
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Hey, wherabouts on the middle were you? Me and Kota covered a lot of river on Saturday. Dont want to rub it in. but. we did pretty well too.
These mother's day caddis are smallish, dark, a cased variety. I kept having to pull actual spent cases off of my flies as I was fishing. So yeah, I'd say there are a few in the water..
My Magic Mystery super-soft hackle with peacock has been rocking hard. Dead drift deep before the hatch and on a slow swing during.
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I fished the area wanship area north of where it crosses the road
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Yep, that is a section we've hit a few times this week.
A little more research reveals that maybe I'm totally wrong from an entomology staindpoint... but the peacock and other dark hackly wet flies have been good to me there.
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It's actually the section south of the bridge so up river of the dirt bike track about 1/4 mile, fished right next to the walkway where the bend is if you know where I'm talking about
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We started at the race track about 10:30 and worked north, so maybe we crossed paths.
When we got there there were some BWOs coming off so maybe a PT would be good earlier? Dunno, no hits on anything mayfly-like for us.
In my experience the caddis have been peaking 1-3. So I think you could sleep in a little more like us Not much action after that though, except some spotty dry-fly rises.
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[quote Kim-n-Kota]
A little more research reveals that maybe I'm totally wrong from an entomology staindpoint... but the peacock and other dark hackly wet flies have been good to me there.
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I think I can help you out as I had a similar experience Sunday before last on the Weeb just below the bridge at Creamery Lane... caddis came off HEAVY around 10:30a, but seemed a little small (and dark) to be a true Grannom (Mothers Day Caddis). I'm pretty sure this fly was the Little Grannom, or Dark Grannom, or Little Western Weedy Water Sedge depending on what you want to call them ( Amiocentrus aspilus for some)... and not the traditional Grannom ( Brachycentrus sp) that many have come to know and love.
These smaller variety build those skinny,[url "http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/#"] tapered[/url], cigar-shaped cases (which were everywhere) as opposed to the Brachycentrus' tapered square masterpieces.
Here's one of the [url "http://www.theflyfishingforum.com/forums/#"]hatched[/url] adults that I plucked off the surface (mangling the wings in the process). About a hook size 16, and darker than it appears here. I can see why your peacock herl fly was killing it!
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Thanks! I was really starting to wonder, with the reports of traditional caddis and pupa patterns being so successful, and mine being not comparable at all.
FYI - My fly isn't much different than a skinny starling & herl except I use super-fine hen cape for the hackle.
Do you think the fish were keying on the cased larva as they detached from the bottom to pupate?? Or the pupa? Maybe the egg-layers diving back into the water, since my estimation of the hatch was a lot later than yours? I can't figure out which phase I was really immitating.
It remains my "magic mystery" fly.
We sure have been enjoying these bugs though. And them big toothy browns have too - lots of flys have been retired with shredded hurl. Easy tie, so I don't mind
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Ty a caddis the the body under and cdc up . Emerger.
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[quote Kim-n-Kota]
FYI - My fly isn't much different than a skinny starling & herl except I use super-fine hen cape for the hackle.
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I tie/fish a very similar size 16 soft hackle fly called a Syl's Midge. I'm a "midge hater" and this fly by Sylvester Nemes dupes those sippers enough times to keep me from pulling out my 7X and #22 midges.
It's just a herl body w/ 2 wraps of gray partridge (stripped on one side)... works well, especially on the Weber. It's an excellent caddis imitation too, especially after a hatch or during egg-laying activity.
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Do you think the fish were keying on the cased larva as they detached from the bottom to pupate?? Or the pupa? Maybe the egg-layers diving back into the water, since my estimation of the hatch was a lot later than yours? I can't figure out which phase I was really imitating.
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The pupa for this particular species are bright green (almost chartreuse), yet the adults are very dark... almost look black in the hand. My guess is that your fly is a dead ringer for the females that are set adrift after egg-laying (which should take place in the afternoon/evening for this species)
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I don't know but, during a hatch, I go the other direction. I fish small buggers, imitating smaller hungry fish, or emergers. Rarely do I try to compete with the real thing [ ]
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sometimes something just a little different has worked better for me when there is a big hatch, last week on the upper weeb by RP me and my old man really hammered em on BHPT with any kind of midge behind it, rainbow warrior was good and these little green serendipity midges that I had forever were awesome. There were tons of caddis and I only saw one fish rise in 2 days.[crazy]
The next morning we woke up and started a quick fire to warm up and got ready to head to the same holes, as we approached the river it had finally decided to come up a bit from the runoff overnight, probly a foot or so and it was a pea soup color. That made the fishing tough for sure in 2 hours I only landed 3 fish and my old man 5 and we were really working those holes hard. I wonder how the flows are now up there.
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