Provo bouncer setup?

[TylerKunz]

I have never used this setup and want to give it a try, but I don't know how to set it up. Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks...
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[sinergy]

Take your leader 7 or 9 feet (I usually use a shorter leader 7") at the very end of the leader tie a figure 8 knot. Then about 8 inches up tie another knot then another 10 inch up from the knot you just tied.


At the very bottom knot pinch on a couple small weights I like to use 2 or 3 size bb split shots. Take about 8 inchs of tippet tie it above the very top knot and tie your fly to end of it. Repeat with the tippet another 10 inches tie it to the middle knot and tie a fly on to it.

The first trick with the Provo bouncer is your tippet line shouldn't be longer from the top knot to the second knot and the second knot to the weights or your going to get allot of tangles

You can adjust were your tie in the knots doesnt have to be 8 inches. In more shallow water go 6 or in deeper go 14 inches. What your trying to do is get that bottom fly to were the fish may be suspended on the bottom of the river. Kind of guess-tamation

Also forget dry casting a Provo Bouncer or your going to end up with a rats nest. Water haul up stream or roll cast

Last but not least you dont have to use any fancy leader like a tapered or furled leader. Your entire leader can be regular fishing line. I like P-Line cause of it smaller diameter but have use lager Berkey line.

Stole this pic from a another member hope he doesn't mind [cool]
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[flygoddess]

Perfect answer. I don't use "Tapered Leaders" so to speak so a little different.
I start with a 5' furled leader. I attach 5' or so of P-Line Fluoro for tippet. From there pretty much the same. Put a knot in the end so the split shot won't slide off. But I tie in 12" tags using a double Surgeons Knot up the tippet. Two here in Utah. One maybe 14" up from the end so that fly is close to the bottom. Killer with eggs.
The other tap I tie in so it floats around mid level of the column. Plus Thingamabobbers don't slide on Furled Leaders..[]

Same idea, different approach. Okay, how close to this is Walleye fishing?
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[pookiebar]

I use the same method as FFG. But I use a barely inflated water baloon as the strike indicator. Or sometimes I use no indicator and just trust jedi mind powers to feel the fish.
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[TylerKunz]

Thank you sinergy! I'm excited to try this! I'm sure it will take some getting used to but I'm excited. Thanks all
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[ScottyP]

The way I set up my leader for a bounce rig is by starting with about a 6 or 7' leader, then I tie on about 8" of 4X tippet with a blood knot. I tie the blood knot so that one of the tags is 3" long and clip the other tag flush. Then I tie another 6 or 7" piece of 4X leaving another 3" tag. The 3" tags are where the flies are tied on and the weight goes about 6" below the bottom fly.

I always use a thingamabobber now because the boyancy cannot be matched. I usually use this setup in deeper runs so I use a pretty good amount of weight to get it down but it can be used to nymph shallow by adjusting the weight and indicator placement.. Customise your setup to the run you are fishing so that the weight is ticking along the bottom every couple feet or so but not dragging the whole way.

The short (3") tags keep the rig from getting tangled and I think it presents the flies better than longer tags. You won't be able to change flies more than once but really, a sow on the bottom and a midge larva or mayfly nymph on top nearly always fools 'em on the provo. While you don't want (or need to ) false cast with this setup, I can do a pickup and laydown cast without any problems if my upstream lob after a drift is off the mark. Just open up your loop on the backcast.

Other ways to avoid tangles are to avoid using weighted or beadhead flies and hand land your fish rather than messing with a net. Lately, I have been using just one fly with the bounce and I havent noticed any huge dropoff in catching fish. Using a single fly works pretty good on other waters where big stonefly nymphs are a go-to tactic.
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[Tarponjim]

[quote flygoddess] Okay, how close to this is Walleye fishing?[/quote]

OK, sorry, but its somewhere between Walleye fishing and a gill net. Good gracious. My Hell. Flippin' nuts. And all those other Utah phrases.

To each their own I guess. A disgrace to the rod, and the sport, and the fish, in my opinion. But hey, its legal, right? Heck, its even popular! I'm the odd one out I guess.
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[pookiebar]

What is it that makes this style of fishing so heanous and wrong to you?

You are still using artificial flies to attract and catch fish. And you have now successfully put the fly in there kitchen so to speak. Sounds to me like you just suffer from, "catch a lot of fish envy"
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[Tarponjim]

It's just not for me. I can't seem to do it. I can't cast it. I never catch anything but the bottom and the trees all around me. When my bobber goes under, I can't tell if its a bite or the bottom or a rock or an old shoe. I just jerk on it and I'm snagged. I probably use the wrong flies anyway. I tried those 6-packs from Wal-Mart, but those come apart after every snag. I went to Sportsmans and got the really good "hand-tied" ones, but I do is lose flies I paid $3.00 for, and snap off line and have to keep putting on new leaders. My fly line says floating, but it always sinks when I use an egg sinker. The line always gets loose and tangles itself on my reel too.

I've only caught a couple dozen trout on a fly rod in my life, so I'm getting really jealous of all the people who can just go out to any river and slay 'em all the time, every time. I usually don't even get a bite when I go, and it really sucks when I see everyone else with a fish on. I go to the best places too, like the Provo and Weber. I've even tried way up in the Uintas a couple times. I saw this movie once, called "A River Runs Through It," and it looked like a really cool to catch a fish. I just can't seem to get it.

I really don't care how I catch a fish, or how big the fish is, or how challenging the fish was to catch, or whether or not I see the strike. I just want to catch as many as I can, the easiest way I can. So . . . I'm probably going to just give up on trying to fly fish all together and go back to worms and marshmallows. I hear eggs work good too, and they even make some that people use on fly rods. I probably couldn't catch fish with those either though.

Is there anybody out there who knows how to fish for Walleye?
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[sinergy]

Tarponjim, You still winning all those Bounty Fishing contests ?
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[RockyRaab]

tarponjim proves that fly fishing isn't for everyone. That's a good thing, btw.

Fly fishing isn't easy. Therefore it isn't for those who want to fish easy. Again, that's a good thing. Streams are less crowded for those who take the time and make the effort to master (or at least have some competence at) fly fishing.

It isn't an "elite" fishing method, even if there are legions of fly fishermen who act as though it is. It's just a different method. It's akin to hunting with a single-shot rifle or a recurve bow: harder by choice of the sportsman.

By choice being the key. And that is definitely a good thing.
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[Tarponjim]

[quote sinergy]Tarponjim, You still winning all those Bounty Fishing contests ?[/quote]

They removed lake trout after the first season and I took first every week. No more big laker categories since. Besides, I've been trying to take up fly fishing because of suffering from "catch a lot of fish envy"![laugh][laugh]
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[remo_5_0]

I am sure you really struggle with the fly rod! [laugh][crazy]
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[sinergy]

Thats too bad, Ya I seen you were winning like every week.

There times all I do is tie on a single fly, pinch on a small split shot and chuck and duck. [cool]
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