Anyone using lithium battery’s with there trolling motors. Do you get extended run time with them like they say. I have been researching them and they sound good. They are expensive so I don’t want to make a mistake. I am running a 21 foot boat with a terrova 80lbs so I need to buy two for 24 volt. Found some for $450 apiece. I currently carry extra batteries on my boat so I can spend more time on the water.
Thanks for any information.
(04-24-2022, 10:18 PM)300win Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone using lithium battery’s with there trolling motors. Do you get extended run time with them like they say. I have been researching them and they sound good. They are expensive so I don’t want to make a mistake. I am running a 21 foot boat with a terrova 80lbs so I need to buy two for 24 volt. Found some for $450 apiece. I currently carry extra batteries on my boat so I can spend more time on the water.
Thanks for any information.
Not sure I have the answers you want but maybe my input will help.
I have a 16.5' Lund with a 55# Ultera. I have connected two 12 volt 64 amp Lithium batteries. That being said, I usually fish no faster than .7 mph, normally in calm water using only the Ultera. After fishing for 6-8 hours I return home ,then as soon as I can I have the charger plugged in. Within seconds I can watch the charge come back into the batteries. I haven't watched long enough to say how long it takes for a full charge but it isn't long.
I may add that you should (you probably already know) have one charger, tender, for each battery.
I am happy with mine, That's probably the best I can say.
The light weight of the batteries is a blessing for this old body. So much easier to place them and get them hooked up.
rj
Thank you that is great information. My old body feels the same way.
Switched my ice flashers to lithium this winter, loved them. This spring I swapped the 3 Minn Kota's over as well. So far, they have done everything as advertised. Weigh less, last longer, charge faster etc. Can't comment on the long term yet. I'm optimistic though. Make sure you get the correct charger
i can't comment on trolling motors, but I've been using 12v lithiums at work for several years now and can compare them to the sealed, lead acid batteries that I used before. There is NO comparison! The litiums are about 1/4 the weight or less per battery, the lithiums last at least twice as long under load, the lithiums charge up quicker and hold their charge longer when sitting around in the winters. If you can afford the lithiums, they are the only way to go! Just check to make sure your charger is compatible with the lithiums. You won't be sorry. The weight savings is the most amazing part in my opinion since we are packing them around in a backpack when we are working.
I don't have the boat experience, but I have been using them on my fish finders for 3 winters now... At this point they still charge great and last the full day, I haven't noticed any drop in performance and like mentioned the weight savings is wonderful... I'm trying to figure out how to afford them for the new boat as well... It's a big expense at one time, but I think they will last longer from what I've seen and read, so in the long run I expect the cost to at least be equivalent and the extra ease and convenience with the weight savings will be the bonus... One question I have for the electrical guru's is, are there issues connecting the Lithium's to a standard engine, or do you need something different for charging them while the engine is running... (Reason for asking, is I've always heard it takes a special charger to charge the batteries so wonder if the alternators/generators need to be different?) Later J
Mercury says do NOT use lithium batteries for the starter battery because the engine's charging system is not compatible with lithium. Check with your motor maker if it's not Mercury.
When I switch to Lithium, I'm going with the Ionic brand because their batteries have a Bluetooth circuit that reports battery state, temp, and other details to my phone. It will match up nicely with the Vessel View app in my Mercury motor.
First comment, you are WAY underpowered with a 80lb Terrova on a 21ft. boat. You can never have enough power when you are using an electric motor. That said, Lithium is by far the wave of the future in electric motor tecnology. Right now, the biggest problem is cost. Name brand batteries are upwards of 800 plus for a 100 amphr, 12volt. Relion makes the BassPro/Cabela's batteries. There are a great number of cheaper ones out there, many with the Bluetooth BMS systems. From what I have been able to read, you need a 1BMS system that is rated for 100amphrs or more on the batteries. Charging is also a new problem. I have an older Minn Kota 2 bank charger. Minn Kota tells me it is suitable for charging Lithium batteries as it charges 10amp per bank. I have been using AGMs for the past 5 years and have had great success. My only problem has been powering electronics. All the new electronics are power hogs and my units drain my starting battery now. As stated, Lithium is not suitable for a starting battery. I am staying with a LA starting battery and adding a Lithium ( most likely a 50 Amphr ) for the electronics. As for the trollers, I am staying with AGM for now, unless the price of Lithium comes WAY down in the next couple of years. At 72, I don't know how many more years I have in me, the batteries will probably out last me !!!
Seriously, look into upgrading your troller. On a boat that size, you should be running a 110 lb thrust , 36 volt system!
Thanks Rocky,
I'm back to a Mercury again, so you answered my question, thank you... Jeff
(04-25-2022, 01:02 PM)Therapist Wrote: [ -> ]First comment, you are WAY underpowered with a 80lb Terrova on a 21ft. boat. You can never have enough power when you are using an electric motor.
Seriously, look into upgrading your troller. On a boat that size, you should be running a 110 lb thrust , 36 volt system!
No disrespect intended or implied. But I suggest that this depends greatly on how the electric trolling motor is used. I have a 24v PowerDrive 2 w/ I-Pilot (70 lb thrust) on my 19.5 ft ThunderJet. In my case, I always push the boat and control the trolling speed with the 9.9hp kicker and use the electric trolling motor for steering only. I have more than enough thrust in this scenario. My 2 AGMs powering the electric motor will last 6 to 7 hours of constant 'ON' depending on wind conditions. That's plenty of time to fish on any given day for this youngster. If one uses the electric motor only for trolling, then I agree that a 100 lb plus trolling motor would be a better choice. But the 70/80 lb thrust motors are adequate when used in conjunction with an outboard for propulsion for this size boat.
As to the battery type, I have been using AGMs for the last 15 or so years for my electric trolling motors. They last me about 6 to 7 years which isn't too bad. Lithium are definitely superior in every aspect except cost. At 2 to 4 times more expensive than quality AGMs, I'll pass on the lithium. If they ever get down in price to the $200 +/- $50 range, I'll consider the change. If cost isn't a factor for you, then by all means go for the gusto and get the lithium's.
Really appreciate all the comments. I agree I would be better off with a 36volt motor with over 110 lbs of thrust but my boat only had room for two full size battery’s. The 80lbs will push my boat 2.2 miles per hour and that’s usually fast enough unless I’m at Willard. My battery’s will last 3-4 hours and that’s what I would like to improve on. Hoping the lithium will give me more time. With the smaller size and a lot less weight I might be able to upgrade to the larger size motor in the future.
During my research prior to purchasing lithium batteries for my ride I came across another thing to consider with lithium batteries and the BMS. You will want a hi temp cut-off as well as a low temp cut-off. Not all lithium batteries BMS's are created equally. The low temp will protect your battery from damage when attempting a charge below 32 degrees.
(04-25-2022, 05:31 PM)fisherdude9 Wrote: [ -> ]During my research prior to purchasing lithium batteries for my ride I came across another thing to consider with lithium batteries and the BMS. You will want a hi temp cut-off as well as a low temp cut-off. Not all lithium batteries BMS's are created equally. The low temp will protect your battery from damage when attempting a charge below 32 degrees.
What brand did you end up going with? I’m burning my brain out reading about them.
I can't remember the brand of batteries that I went with but like a-bow-nut pointed out, I watched this guys You Tubes and found some that fit my needs. Very informative.
DuBob, we are in the same boat, age wise! My first boat had a 32lb Johnson 12 volt on it. 18ft Glastron. I was never able to upgrade that, but fished with my buddy in his 20 Ranger w/36V system. What a dream. When I got my current ride, 18ft Skeeter Walleye, Deep V hull, I looked at the 36V systems, but no room for the 3 batteries. Went with the 24V Terrova and have enjoyed it. I also have a 15hp kicker if I need to do some fast trolling, but most of what I do is pulling for Crappie at .5-.7mph. The 80lbs do just fine. For that and general fishing, I can get 8-9 hrs out of a charge now. When new, I could get 2 days out of my AGM's. I will be replacing them with two new ones here shortly, like you I can't justify the cost of Lithium. Like I also said, the new AGM's will probably outlast me !!!!
(04-24-2022, 10:18 PM)300win Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone using lithium battery’s with there trolling motors. Do you get extended run time with them like they say. I have been researching them and they sound good. They are expensive so I don’t want to make a mistake. I am running a 21 foot boat with a terrova 80lbs so I need to buy two for 24 volt. Found some for $450 apiece. I currently carry extra batteries on my boat so I can spend more time on the water.
Thanks for any information.
I run Lithiums with my Ulterra 80Lb you want to go with 2 100AH 12V not the 24V batteries many chargers will work with Lithium if they have an AGM charging profile I use a Minnkota PC 345 works great or you can purchase a Lithium specific charger. I have Ionic they have bluetooth app so you can see exactly what your batteries are sitting at.
I am on year 3 and have had 0 issues
(04-26-2022, 01:57 AM)Bassin_Blitz Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2022, 10:18 PM)300win Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone using lithium battery’s with there trolling motors. Do you get extended run time with them like they say. I have been researching them and they sound good. They are expensive so I don’t want to make a mistake. I am running a 21 foot boat with a terrova 80lbs so I need to buy two for 24 volt. Found some for $450 apiece. I currently carry extra batteries on my boat so I can spend more time on the water.
Thanks for any information.
I run Lithiums with my Ulterra 80Lb you want to go with 2 100AH 12V not the 24V batteries many chargers will work with Lithium if they have an AGM charging profile I use a Minnkota PC 345 works great or you can purchase a Lithium specific charger. I have Ionic they have bluetooth app so you can see exactly what your batteries are sitting at.
I am on year 3 and have had 0 issues
That’s great information. That is what I am looking to purchase 2 100AH. Have you noticed a longer run time on them?
The thing about lithiums is not that there's "more juice" in them than a conventional battery of the same rating, but that the lithiums discharge at full power until they're empty. That's unlike conventional batts that get weaker and weaker as they discharge. Lithiums act more like a gas engine - full power until the tank goes empty, and then it suddenly just quits. That's the reason why (IMO) you really need an app that serves as a gas gauge. Look for a brand that features a Bluetooth Battery Management System and a app for your phone.
One other caveat: Cheaper price on lithiums can mean that they use less than top grade materials.
(04-26-2022, 04:20 AM)300win Wrote: [ -> ] (04-26-2022, 01:57 AM)Bassin_Blitz Wrote: [ -> ] (04-24-2022, 10:18 PM)300win Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone using lithium battery’s with there trolling motors. Do you get extended run time with them like they say. I have been researching them and they sound good. They are expensive so I don’t want to make a mistake. I am running a 21 foot boat with a terrova 80lbs so I need to buy two for 24 volt. Found some for $450 apiece. I currently carry extra batteries on my boat so I can spend more time on the water.
Thanks for any information.
I run Lithiums with my Ulterra 80Lb you want to go with 2 100AH 12V not the 24V batteries many chargers will work with Lithium if they have an AGM charging profile I use a Minnkota PC 345 works great or you can purchase a Lithium specific charger. I have Ionic they have bluetooth app so you can see exactly what your batteries are sitting at.
I am on year 3 and have had 0 issues
That’s great information. That is what I am looking to purchase 2 100AH. Have you noticed a longer run time on them?
Yes the run time is longer, and as Rocky noted they run at full power right to the end and then they shut down.