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Here is from the 2010 Utah Fishing Fishing Proclamation.
You may already know this off of page 9:
Dead, fresh or frozen salt water species including sardines and anchovies may be used as bait in any water where bait is permitted.
Dead mountain sucker, white sucker, Utah sucker, redside shiner, speckled dace, mottled sculpin, fat head minnow, Utah chub and common carp may be used as bait in any water where bait is permitted.
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] I guess that includes goldfish?
The eggs of any species of fish caught in Utah, except prohibited fish, may be used in any water where bait is permitted.
Use of live crayfish for bait is legal only on the water where the crayfish is captured. It is unlawful to transport live crayfish away from the water where they were captured.
Commercially prepared and chemically treated baitfish or their parts may be used as bait in any water where bait is permitted.
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You may already know this off of page 9:
Dead, fresh or frozen salt water species including sardines and anchovies may be used as bait in any water where bait is permitted.
Dead mountain sucker, white sucker, Utah sucker, redside shiner, speckled dace, mottled sculpin, fat head minnow, Utah chub and common carp may be used as bait in any water where bait is permitted.
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] I guess that includes goldfish?The eggs of any species of fish caught in Utah, except prohibited fish, may be used in any water where bait is permitted.
Use of live crayfish for bait is legal only on the water where the crayfish is captured. It is unlawful to transport live crayfish away from the water where they were captured.
Commercially prepared and chemically treated baitfish or their parts may be used as bait in any water where bait is permitted.
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02-07-2010, 08:54 PM
[cool]I'll take it. I enjoy both of them. I think that eight fish limit really took its toll on Scofield. Back when it was a four fish limit I could catch 16''-20'' rainbows very consistantly, and never caught any chubs. Then the DWR said that Scolfield was under utilized and implemented the eight fish limit. Now we have gone to a slot limit that in my opinion makes it hard for a rainbow to get big due to it having more harvest pressure, and plenty of chubs. I'm sure it will come back but as you said you have to go thru 20-40 fish to hook somthing with some size. Strawberrys rainbows seem to be making a comeback now that they are planting bigger fish and not feeding them to the cutts. This last year I pesonally did better for large bows on jordanelle... we will see what this year brings.[]
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I'm certain you're right on the money about the best ways to preserve redsides and such. I've never really considered preserving minnows since I moved here because, with all the regulations, I prefer safe alternatives that don't require extra effort. In Oklahoma we went to places we could net enough shad in a throw net to keep us in trot line bait through summer and fall. If I wanted, I could get dozens of live shiners, rosies, or black shiners for a few bucks. They were awesome for night fishing in muddy water when the fish were homing in with their lateral lines with limited visibility. I prefer artificial and fly fishing because I like staying busy and covering the water as much as possible but there are many times when fresh bait is the better option. I have tried some of the preserved minnows in scented and salted variations a few times to see if I could get to the lake faster without having to make a pit stop and wasn't impressed with the results. It could be that anything that you can present dead here that resembles the bottom of the food chain is likely to work when live bait isn't constantly available on a hook. Your innovation is certainly useful and I appreciate the great advice as always.[
] I think I might try some TD technique with dead bait this year and see if that will get the bite when the fishing is tough. The extra effort might pay off. Though, thank God for mealies, waxies, night crawlers, and white bass and perch chunks. Do you think that scenting minnows with stuff like kool-aid, anise oil, etc. tends to work better for certain fish or is it fishing lore in your experience?
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] I think I might try some TD technique with dead bait this year and see if that will get the bite when the fishing is tough. The extra effort might pay off. Though, thank God for mealies, waxies, night crawlers, and white bass and perch chunks. Do you think that scenting minnows with stuff like kool-aid, anise oil, etc. tends to work better for certain fish or is it fishing lore in your experience?[signature]
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[quote fishguru73]I'm certain you're right on the money about the best ways to preserve redsides and such. I've never really considered preserving minnows since I moved here because, with all the regulations, I prefer safe alternatives that don't require extra effort. In Oklahoma we went to places we could net enough shad in a throw net to keep us in trot line bait through summer and fall. If I wanted, I could get dozens of live shiners, rosies, or black shiners for a few bucks. They were awesome for night fishing in muddy water when the fish were homing in with their lateral lines with limited visibility. I prefer artificial and fly fishing because I like staying busy and covering the water as much as possible but there are many times when fresh bait is the better option. I have tried some of the preserved minnows in scented and salted variations a few times to see if I could get to the lake faster without having to make a pit stop and wasn't impressed with the results. It could be that anything that you can present dead here that resembles the bottom of the food chain is likely to work when live bait isn't constantly available on a hook. Your innovation is certainly useful and I appreciate the great advice as always.[] I think I might try some TD technique with dead bait this year and see if that will get the bite when the fishing is tough. The extra effort might pay off. Though, thank God for mealies, waxies, night crawlers, and white bass and perch chunks. Do you think that scenting minnows with stuff like kool-aid, anise oil, etc. tends to work better for certain fish or is it fishing lore in your experience?[/quote]
Honestly, I've done a lot of reading on scents and many swear they attract fish.... Sometimes it can be sell gimic to attract fisherman and not fish....After I hit the lottery I'm going to buy a big aquarium and do research on my own to determine whether color and scent attracts fish....
What I have found through my years of experience is Vanilla seems to attract carp when put into dough balls or wheatie balls... Red food dye placed into cut bait, shrimp or beef will attract catfish during the day.... For bass, I've used crawdad attractants, garlic, crawlers, banana and just about everything else on the market.... Do they work, what I've noticed they don't help me catch anymore fish than without it... I not going to say it dosen't work, maybe it was the time I went fishing....Only way to get accurate results would be able to do scientific testing yourself and I know that is almost impossible....
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] I think I might try some TD technique with dead bait this year and see if that will get the bite when the fishing is tough. The extra effort might pay off. Though, thank God for mealies, waxies, night crawlers, and white bass and perch chunks. Do you think that scenting minnows with stuff like kool-aid, anise oil, etc. tends to work better for certain fish or is it fishing lore in your experience?[/quote]Honestly, I've done a lot of reading on scents and many swear they attract fish.... Sometimes it can be sell gimic to attract fisherman and not fish....After I hit the lottery I'm going to buy a big aquarium and do research on my own to determine whether color and scent attracts fish....
What I have found through my years of experience is Vanilla seems to attract carp when put into dough balls or wheatie balls... Red food dye placed into cut bait, shrimp or beef will attract catfish during the day.... For bass, I've used crawdad attractants, garlic, crawlers, banana and just about everything else on the market.... Do they work, what I've noticed they don't help me catch anymore fish than without it... I not going to say it dosen't work, maybe it was the time I went fishing....Only way to get accurate results would be able to do scientific testing yourself and I know that is almost impossible....
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02-12-2010, 01:40 AM
It's true that trout like some unusual scents... including WD-something for the less educated warden magnets. I have accidentally gotten a few tastes of Power Bait while bank grubbing. It has a less then subtle fishiness followed by a sweetness; not to be 
with an after dinner mint.[:p]
I've used a lot of different scented dough baits and all work well at times but the scientifically studied preference does seem to work more consistently. There is always a time you didn't bring the Zeke's. Trout seem to like it all. For the price of the cheese flavor I can get a few sticks of string cheese and skip reproducing the flavor. I'm sure you and I could have an interesting conversation about some of the unusual stuff we've found in a trout's stomach.
Certainly, any unwelcome scent brought on by handling and preserving bait can have a negative effect and added scents can have the desired masking effect. I definitely agree that slitting the bait open can draw a more vigorous reply.
I also agree that the right scent, in a given situation, can really make a difference and many different scents have helped me with different fish. I don't think I use them as often as I should when pitching jigs at weary fish.
There is a claim that walleye like strawberry Kool-Aid soaked bait fish. I wonder if the color is the big factor or if the scent makes the difference? Maybe it's another design on catching fishermen instead of fish. Buy this manual and you too can know how the native Americans have used strawberries to lure monster walleyes for centuries.[:p] I get it for carp... but walleye? You don't know what you don't know but man it's hard to get into expirementing with the unknown if you have success doing what makes the most sense.
Maybe a board survey to find out what experimental scents and colors really produce would be informational or, at the least, entertaining. However, if somebody caught a Utah state record walleye with Berry Blue Kool-Aid soaked red sides, my jaw would hit the floor.[laugh]
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with an after dinner mint.[:p] I've used a lot of different scented dough baits and all work well at times but the scientifically studied preference does seem to work more consistently. There is always a time you didn't bring the Zeke's. Trout seem to like it all. For the price of the cheese flavor I can get a few sticks of string cheese and skip reproducing the flavor. I'm sure you and I could have an interesting conversation about some of the unusual stuff we've found in a trout's stomach.
Certainly, any unwelcome scent brought on by handling and preserving bait can have a negative effect and added scents can have the desired masking effect. I definitely agree that slitting the bait open can draw a more vigorous reply.
I also agree that the right scent, in a given situation, can really make a difference and many different scents have helped me with different fish. I don't think I use them as often as I should when pitching jigs at weary fish.
There is a claim that walleye like strawberry Kool-Aid soaked bait fish. I wonder if the color is the big factor or if the scent makes the difference? Maybe it's another design on catching fishermen instead of fish. Buy this manual and you too can know how the native Americans have used strawberries to lure monster walleyes for centuries.[:p] I get it for carp... but walleye? You don't know what you don't know but man it's hard to get into expirementing with the unknown if you have success doing what makes the most sense.
Maybe a board survey to find out what experimental scents and colors really produce would be informational or, at the least, entertaining. However, if somebody caught a Utah state record walleye with Berry Blue Kool-Aid soaked red sides, my jaw would hit the floor.[laugh]
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