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My music partner from J&L Jazz became my fishing partner for an afternoon (I'm the J, he's the L). Met up in Hyrum and launched about 5. Air temp was warm, water was cool, wind was mild. Mountains are very red now. Gotta get up the canyon!
Started out buzzing around the docks, pitching for bass, see if we could find some frisky followers. Lots of tiny bass, and the new tiger troutlings along the shore. Some brother, sister bass under the dock. Tried a popper. Pitched onto the dock, then drop off - lots of 'first hits' right as it'd land. L likes his fly fishing, so pitched a sinking line and got some good attention. Many followers, whole schools at times. Got a few hookups - about 10inchers, but didn't find any mommy's or daddy's come to play. So we moved on for other targets.
Dragged some flies and spoons toward the "outlet". Worked along the west side a while. Jumpers here and there. Stopped to pitch some jigs for perch, and L flung his flies. He got the first bow hookup, and they worked that fly rod pretty good. Ripped some line when they saw the net. Good tugs.
Didn't find any perch a tap-tap-tapping, so we moved along toward Devil's Half (now I know that's what it's called : ). Had a couple more bouncing rods as we rounded the south bend. Pretty well took turns for a while. Fly n bobber, fly rod-dragged, orange spoon, and back.
We worked the south shore, and there were risers everywhere as dusk came on. Right time, right place. Had a couple double hookups. Don't know what it is about doubles - they almost always want to get off -both! Quick-Release! Guess it's like looking away from your rod, and THAT's when you get a hit. Never fails.
I did have a session where I got hit on the fly-n-bobber, as I netted the fish, then let the bobber drag away. Before I could get him out of the net I had another one on. Two in the net! I released the smaller one, and let the line drag away, and bam - hit again before I could deal with the netted fish. Double net again. That poor fly got so beat up on it came unravelled. It was too dark to change it, so I dragged it anyway. Still got hits - the little spinner must still call attention.
The wind picked up as the bite dropped off, and darkness had set it. We were surpised to find it was only about 8:30 by the time we'd loaded up and headed out.
None of the fish were beyond a foot. But they worked pretty hard for their size. L had a lot of line spooled out as the fish neared the boat. Taking a run for it! Wohoo - good times.
We kept a few fatter ones for the smoker. After reading more of TD's fillet posts, decided to pick up an electric fillet knife. First chance to practice. I'd been getting pretty good with my regular fillet knife, it's gonna take some practice to get used to the POWER of the new knife, and how to yield it. It's both 12Vlt and 120 - kinda handy. I could even plug it in on the boat!
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Looks like a good time was had by all! It is really fun to get double hook ups. That's the way I like to catch fish.
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Still have yet to get farther up the canyon and 'test the colors', but did dabble with the fly-n-bobber, as recommended. Good success. Further inspiration - just picked up some "Joes Flies" patterns. Cross between a fly and spinner. Kinda like TD and Flygodess have been discussing. Need to try more trailers, or double drop options. Take the two pole permit a level farther.
But at least dragging a pistol pete behind a bobber get's the attention of the new plants.
Need to see about trying deeper for the older buggers. Got a big rainbow swimbait that needs some exercise. Maybe I should take the downrigger, and target deeper.
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[cool][#0000ff]If you want to troll faster and deeper use a spinner or spoon ahead of the fly instead of a bubble. Tie a couple of feet of line to a small swivel on one end and the fly at the other. Put one eye of the swivel over the hook on the spinner or spoon. Then put a small piece of rubber band over the hook to help keep the swivel from coming off. Works just like a dodger or pop gear. The extra flash and vibration call the fish in and they hit the trailing fly. Been working great at Starvation and got me a lot of fish at Jordanelle and Deer Creek last year.[/#0000ff]
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Thanks TD. After Joni's and your input on the fly-patterns, I'd picked up some "Joe's Flies" - spinner/spoon fly combo. I'm spastic enuf at tieing the dang lure on the line, least of all tying the lure on the hook to tie on the line.... (maybe someday). I dunno she swallowed the fly....
I'm not sure if I get your story straight. Wouldn't happen to have a pix of that rig wouldya?
Quote:[#0000ff]one eye of the swivel over the hook on the spinner or spoon. Then put a small piece of rubber band over the hook to help keep the swivel from coming off[/#0000ff]
I may not be able to establish MACH_NADA for speed trolling. But I have managed depth - leadline, or downrigger. Good there. But I've only recently tried dragging flies. I could fill the bobber and sink the sucker, but seemed like the frisky fresh planters were pretty attentive to the surface.
Just figger the fatter momba's and poppa's are lurking in the cooler depths (with their 'smart' hats on!)
Must thank ya for the Willard "Xs". I did track down my first Willard Kitty - and the hunt is on! Maybe I'm learnin'
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[cool][#0000ff]As we previously established, you do not have to use a fly rod to fish a fly. Nor are you limited to fishing with a bubble if you want to use flies with your spinning rig. Hundreds of ways to present a fly with spinning tackle. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]And, you don't have to go fast to troll a fly. Sometimes slower is better. I sometimes drag a fly out behind my tube very slowly on just the spinning line...no bubble, etc. Just a very long leader. If I want to sink it I add a small split shot...or a short length of sinking fly line...or a length of lead core. It is all a matter of how deep and how fast you want to present the fly.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I make spinners with flies as the hook part. I also fish flies behind spinners and spoons...on anywhere between 4" and 4' of leader. Attached are some pics to show the "Draggin' flies" I use most and the way I rig them on spoons or spinners...with swivels. I make some lures with swivels on the front and back...no hooks...specifically for fishing with flies. And you can cast and retrieve them. You don't have to troll them. Sometimes very effective. I like to cast out and then count down the fall before starting the retrieve. When I find the right depth and speed I stick with it. Just like adjusting your trolling speed until you find what works.[/#0000ff]
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True enough you can catch fish on a fly (lure),
Those are kind of cool. Classic flies with "Treble" hooks attached to a blades.
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I love the rubber band trick. I've always tied directly to the hook for my trailers. I'll have to give that a go next time. That would probably work well for adding a stinger hook as well. Thanks for sharing Dude.
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Perfect. Thanks for the pix - that makes it crystal clear. Now I get it. Next I'll hafta try it.
Curious - you fly people - do you use scent? I know I've made the mistake of letting some goopy scent get on the feather tail of a spinner, and matt it down - kill it's action. So I've dipped into "gulp" juice with some feathery jigs - cuz it's much less viscous and gummy.
I need to use more swivels. Too many twisters! Need to try more trailing hooks / flies. I've got some flatfish where the hook is not attached to the lure, but the line runs through it, and then a hook. Read a article on Musky fishing with Tubes. Many sported a combination of hooks, and trailers.
Again - thanks for the input.
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[cool][#0000ff]You will notice that on many of the flies I had in the picture I wrap them with a white synthetic hair, rather than feathers or fur. This makes it easier to wash them out and restore them...and they do not clump as badly. When fishing those flies behind a spinner it is both legal and recommended to add a piece of crawler. Helps seal the deal and get a better chomp on the strike.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]If you do have flies that get messed up with scents or fish blood/slime you can use a mild detergent...like woolite...to clean them up. A blow dryer finishes them up fine.[/#0000ff]
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[quote CoyoteSpinner]Perfect. Thanks for the pix - that makes it crystal clear. Now I get it. Next I'll hafta try it.
Curious - you fly people - do you use scent? I know I've made the mistake of letting some goopy scent get on the feather tail of a spinner, and matt it down - kill it's action. So I've dipped into "gulp" juice with some feathery jigs - cuz it's much less viscous and gummy.
I need to use more swivels. Too many twisters! Need to try more trailing hooks / flies. I've got some flatfish where the hook is not attached to the lure, but the line runs through it, and then a hook. Read a article on Musky fishing with Tubes. Many sported a combination of hooks, and trailers.
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No, no cut worm or powerbait either...then it truly becomes a lure and not my choice. Are they hitting the fly or the scent and in that case, would it matter what lure/fly?
Just me personally answering here. No rule book here so you can do what you want.
I am just one FLY PEOPLE.
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I generally didn't think so - on scent. -'Specially you more "pure" types. And I don't mean that in a bad way! Just don't wanna goop up all that fluttery action. I hear ya though - I usually test a lure bare first, and if it hits, I go. If not - I might step it up with a tipping, or schlopping of goo. Then if it still don't work, time to switch up, or move on.
Here's the type of tubes, and trailing hooks -kinda like TD's flies behind a spinner, but different.
Basically more sharp stuff to get snaggled on when they swipe at it.
In clear early spring waters I'd come to realize how much my trout friends, and others - like to "check it out" "follow along for a while" and take random "swipes" at a lure, "bumps" even - but without the effort of actually opening one's mouth and biting down!
In Fisherman has some great footage of Musky follows - kinda exploring the circle or figure 8 patterns at the end of a retrieve. Cool to SEE what happens underwater.
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[#0000ff]Sorry Joni[/#0000ff]
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this thread is going to turn into a good laugh soon.
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Naw, that was totally expected.
If you know how to use flies and gear the way it was intended, you will catch fish.
Nice try though...[  ]
Just not sure who this Orvis Dork is?
I never thought of myself as being a purist. In that case, someone who chooses to fish just bait is a purist.
I choose flies, I catch fish, I win contests...LOL
Amazing, you ask a question and I gave an honest answer to get slammed...gotta love this place.
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Quote:this thread is going to turn into a good laugh soon.
Now now - don't start throwing sand in the sandbox. No splashing in the tub!
Ah shirts realized I didn't hit the "upload", and the pic is at home. Will post l8r.
But here's some [url "http://www.muskyinnovations.com/products.htm"]Musky Innovations [/url]samples. Trailing hooks - can do extra tipping if you're so inclined. They also have some of TD's style inline spinners, and for the fluff fanciers - some big snap-tail bucktails.
To each their own I say - we may have different approaches and different "personal" rules to fish by, but I think we all share a common goal:
get on, in, or by the water, enjoy being out there, get some good tugs, and a bit of adrenaline to go with the mosquitoes and sunshine.
I have enjoyed hearing about ya'lls preference for tubes and toons and why they work well for ya.
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thats pretty damn cool right there
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Those are very cool.
Here are some of my Musky:
![[Image: 2006-06-08002.jpg]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f17/FlyGoddess/Flies/2006-06-08002.jpg)
![[Image: P7310006400.jpg]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f17/FlyGoddess/Flies/P7310006400.jpg)
![[Image: P7310007400.jpg]](http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f17/FlyGoddess/Flies/P7310007400.jpg)
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I don't think you should feel slammed. You gave a good honest answer, I think TD had a  in cheek - at least somewhat! But like you say, not unexpected. (I for one was chuckling!). Some folks have different approaches, preferences. And ya'll know it!
I've heard you say you don't use lead, and have different materials for hooks. I'll bet you fish barbless too.
Now if you wanna see the flames fly - suggest taking away Pat's [url "http://www.in-fisherman.com/content/federal-ban-lead-fishing-tackle-proposed"]lead [/url]- THAT'd heat things up!!!
That first fly is SO cute! I'm gonna have to show it to my daughter. She'll want one - but not for fishing, but to join her 'ugly doll' collection! The others look quite large, great detail. Guess it goes to the old saying, "Sometimes - size does matter".
But you'd have to have a pretty heavy wt fly rod to fling THIS sucker!!!! LOL
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