Merry Xmas to Anglers

[talyn]

Here is something from under the tree today.
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[CoyoteSpinner]

That's a great perch pattern. Would be a Musky Magnet!

But it raises a question I've had about Utah regs and lures. I've got some similar stick-baits with triple trebles. Question is - with Utah's "two hook" restriction - is such a lure legit? I know they are sold in Utah, so I'd think they should be ok, but ya never know.
(no accusation intended - I've used one similar, just never had the cause to ask "the man")

I guess same question would go for a tandem rigging - with a two treble crank, combined with a worm-harness. Is that permitted?
I know a single treble counts as 1 hook, even though it's got three points (at least I think I know)

[talyn]

Yes they are for Muskies! These were good size and the kids loved them. Many times with the bigger lures I only fish them with the back hook. Less hooks to end-up in my fingers. Glad you mentioned the regs because I have asked this too. I would hate to see the law haul off my 8 yr old for using this lure at pineview. I found on page 9 of the 2012 utah guide that: [size 2][/size]No artificial lure may have more than three hooks.


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[k2muskie]

Yep a perfectly legal lure to use here in Utah.[][]
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[flygoddess]

Yes they are legal, one lure and that one lure can have several hooks, now add to that that you can LEGALLY fish "Two" lures. Why not just use dynamite[laugh][laugh][laugh]
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[k2muskie]

We each have 2-pole permits with literally dynamite size length lures meaning 3 trebles on each trolling total of 4 lines = 12 sharp items going through the H20...no explosions noted yet.

Only real issue is one rod going off with a beast and get'n at least 2 other rods in quickly to prevent a tangled mess. Thus far not an issue including we did miss a double troll hook up this past season year...partner got theirs...mine tossed the dynamite.

More trebles with more than one line in the water doesn't equate to multiple hookups...at least for what we fish hard for on the soft water. [][]
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[flygoddess]

Awe yes but a much better chance at hooking a fish than with one single hook. A definite advantage when looking for food. Sure there must be interested fish.[cool]
Here is the official wording:

• No artificial lure may have more than three hooks.
• No line may have attached to it more than two baited hooks, two artificial flies or two artificial lures.

More hooks in the water, better your chances.
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[k2muskie]

Won't disagree but for what we fish for...never had multiple hookups on a troll until this year and like I stated...lost mine...hmmmm maybe we can entice you to a fishing trip (remember we're secretive, tight-mouthed, will blind fold you ole bitty bags angling novices and one must have the decoder ring of not a bucket list angler to pass the decoder ring puzzle)...then you too, can experience the expedition on rec boater hell waters...

No matter what, just because a lure has more than one hook doesn't mean better chances (maybe ice fishing)...at least for us (soft water) and what we fish for during the glory days of summer...you'd be surprised at the long hours 8-12 hour hot days of nada, zip, zilch, zero with 4 dynamite size lures in the water offering 3 trebles each with variety...not a thing.[laugh][laugh]
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[flygoddess]

Oh I get that. I almost always fish two flies. If the fish are there, a better chance with two flies but on the other side of the coin, twice as frustrating when they don't wanna play.

One thing I have notice though, and maybe your thoughts. when fishing two flies, the chance of snagging a fish with that second hook is greater. Specially on dry / droppers. Fish rises for the dry, and when the fisher trys to set the hook, the fish will release the dry and the dropper can snag the fish. Happens sometimes when I am guiding. My nephew has also snagged with multi hook lures before.

What is your take on this? A question for everyone.
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[k2muskie]

We've never snagged the fish we go after in the summer. They hit and hang on for the ride is what I say...only thing we've snagged is the aka Browns that being Carp.

Sight fishing/follows well another story all together...just have a rod ready for a toss back with different dynamite offerings...worked this year on a couple occasions. Follow different rod ready toss back...or fish'n partner toss in the area of the sightings/follow and it was fish-on. Several times we stole fish from each other...[cool]

So more hooks in the water at least what we fish for during the soft water no snags as of yet anyways. When the reel drag goes off on the troll reels with the zzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzz, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing...jump like hell to bring in at least 2 other lines one is always left as getting the fish quickly to the boat is key in warm water temps.

IMHO the more likely-hood of multiple hookups happening is on Willard and through a school of wiper not boiling or on the ice with a school of fish beneath the hard deck with two hooks (not trebles) snell rigged 6-12" apart. We've had that happen on the hard deck. But that is just my .02. on lures with 3 trebles and again my novice experience...[shocked][shocked]

Boy we've digressed from the thread topic haven't we...[][]...sorry bout that...[angelic][angelic]
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[flygoddess]

Yes I am sorry too. There has got to be a reason they manufacture multi hook lures, and the same reason fly fishers fish tandem and droppers. I have been lucky to have snagged personally maybe twice in my life[] "S---" Happens (that four letter word is snag by the way)[laugh][laugh]
I say that is a great looking lure and all that is missing is line and water.
Look forward to reports about it.

Hope everyone here had a very Merry Christmas
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[TubeDude]

[cool][#0000ff]Part of the reason for multiple big trebles is that the big predators often hit differently. Some grab the tail end of their prey...to disable it. Others grab the midsection to chomp it to death before turning it around in their mouth to swallow it head first. Others grab the head first and simply gulp it down. This is especially true when they are hunting the spiny rayed fish like bigger perch.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Thus, if you remove any of the three sets of hooks you leave yourself open for missing a percentage of the strikes that would occur in the area of those hooks.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]It ain't like fishing with little pocket lint creations that can be inhaled by little hatchery pets.[/#0000ff]
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[flygoddess]

It ain't like fishing with little pocket lint creations that can be inhaled by little hatchery pets.

And don't forget that lint is inhaled by Sharks (ask Everet) and other non hatchery pets, but that is a good example that it only takes one hook and the hook doesn't need to be huge.[cool]
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[k2muskie]

TD love ya toooooooooo death but chomping the prey don't tell me you believe in the ray-ray theory with literally bitten in half Crappie and Perch etc. [blush] Hmmmm I'm taken back by that one.

Chomp on the strike ohhhh yes, but to continually chomp, chomp, chomp, well I'm bamdozzaled by that one.

From our experience and always open to new and exciting experiences...larger prey strike, grab and eat yes head first pushing back the pin pricks as the fish goes down slowly...the chomp, chomp...well not chomping on that theory. Please enlighten us younger ones dear one on the chomp, chomp theory.

Yep lint sticks to eveything thing is all I can say along with dog and cat hair even will find them tiny pores in one's foot...had that happen just this past few days (chocolate lab hair)...but chomp, chomp, chomp like us humans devoring our last evening meals...Wowzaaaaaaa...help this young'n graps that one on the chomp dear angling friend.[:/][:/]

For me being retired military its more like receiving an award or something positive from higher ups...grab, shake and take. [][]
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[TubeDude]

[cool][#0000ff]I have watched underwater videos of pike and muskies taking natural prey. And have seen them attack in all three modes...tail first, head on and middle. Not sure if they have a conscious thought process or whether it is instinct or opportunity.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]The chomp and turn thing happens a lot with soft rayed fishes...like suckers...a favorite food of the pikey clan. Kinda like a kid eating the frosting off a cookie before eating it. I think they enjoy the blood and flavor that oozes out of the perforated prey.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]But I don't think for a minute that a few spines really slows down a kill-crazy tiger that spots a vulnerable crappie or perch. They just go for it...and sort everything out later. A lot like how great white sharks attack seals. A killing bite and then allow the prey to bleed out and die...going in for the gulp down later.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Like most things fishy it is all subject to what we think we know and what we would like to believe. Different opinions don't necessarily make either right or wrong...just different opinions.[/#0000ff]
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[CoyoteSpinner]

Ok - I'm a bit here. I thought I'd started [url "http://www.bigfishtackle.com/forum/Utah_Fishing_Forum_C55/Utah_Fishing_General_F58/gforum.cgi?post=709251;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;page=unread#unread"]this thread[/url], but it seems to have been split up? (Kent?)
I'd wanted to share my NEW landing net. FG - didya see? It was a nice C&R trout style net. Thought maybe the ice-face was "too" much for some viewers? (it's a real photo BTW, big story behind, but not about fishing, it IS about ice!)

Then - the thread went off in a WHOLE different direction, which I don't mind a bit. I enjoy 'watching' you anglers of different styles 'have at it'. FWIW - I respect each and every one of you for your approach, techniques, willingness to share what you're willing to. So many ways to fish, so many different fish to target.

Problem with Dynamite, you can't "target", just boom and scoop. You can find demos on Youtube... do they mention dynamite in the regs? I musta missed the 3 hook reference. Hafta get the 2012 version and study up.

RE: Multiple offerings = more options to present, see what the fisheses are interested in. Two poles, two hooks . . . it's all good. I think in addition to the chomp-chomp attack is the slam-bam OUCHY maam! Some fish will slap or butt-nose a prey, knock it silly first, then move in for the kill. That "attack" mode can land the hooks on the outside of a fish-face. Is that still 'foul hooked'?
When on a busy school, I have had a strike connect with other that the lip of a fish. Yeah - it went back. Woulda fit in my new net! Wohoo!

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If I am fishing to fill a legal basket - I typically will hold at least one shy of limit. I know if you HAVE a limit, you can keep fishing C&R only, but I like to have that buffer, so if I catch a rough hookup, I'm not stuck releasing a fish that's too injured to make it - that really bothers me. I release lots of fish. I do keep some fish. But any I keep I respect, and make every effort to treat them properly, and ensure their end is not a wasted one.

One thing I especially like about my favorite musky catching jig - is it has a single large hook, and every musky I've connected has been nicely mouth hooked - with the jig hanging on the outside. Clean release. I've dragged and pitched those triple trebles around, but got NO love! Still waiting for that wicked musky follow and attack. Seen both spin-casters, and fly-fishers hook up musky and pike on a follow, and it looks like a riot!