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Is it chumming?
#1
K so random question. While at bountiful pond last season practicing casting I watched a women dumping bags and bags of bread into the water. She seemed so happy yet from what I saw there were no birds eating it. Then when I got a little closer I noticed she had an entire group of carp all on a feeding frenzy!

I'll admit I was VERY tempted to throw on a dough imitaing lure and cast into the fray. Then I reconsidered as I know "chumming" is not allowed in Utah. I'd be correct to assume even if someone else is doing the chumming if I casted out in order to immitate the chum I'd still be breaking the law right? Just curious. (or maybe I plan to take my little sisters and have them play with the bread and carp [Wink][Wink] < I kid I kid, I joke I joke,,, maybe[angelic][fishin]
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#2
I am not sure in this case. I would think anybody would be hard pressed to call you on casting a doughball into the feeding carp illegal. I think if you were throwing the bread in it may be different. Carp are not a game fish so I seriously doubt there would be concerns but it is an intersting situation.
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#3
Chumming is illegal no matter what fish you are targeting. I believe there is one exception to the chumming rule but I can't recall what it is; i think it's Lake Powl. In any case, I don't see that you were chumming because you were not tossing the bread. I would have targeted them. I love catching carp, it's good times.
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#4
The way I interpreted the Utah chumming law is; Dumping or using excess mounts of bait, that does not have a hook in it in an attempt to lure and catch fish.

So for example If you didn't know the women and happen to be fishing a similar bait. The infraction would be on the women for dumping bags of bread in the water.

Now if you did know the women or the officer could some how prove you two knew each other AND you two were in cahoots, were she was dumping bait into the water in the attempt to catch fish then Yes that's chumming.
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#5
Interesting question. I like the responses you've got.
I agree - that I think it's the act of DOING the chumming that's frowned on. But probably a pairing of the chumming, then the fishing act...

But of course - the fine line - how far does it go?

Seriously - how many community duck-ponds are littered with bread crumbs? I know it's a common practice at Logan River's first dam - feed the ducks and geese, then chase them around and let your kids throw big rocks at them
(maybe that was just one isolated "bad" group [mad] right)

So - when you're done with a worm or powerbait and pull it off the hook and toss it in the water, that's "technically" chumming - but think you'd be hard-pressed to get a citation for it.
I know it's big practice in Europe for Carp/Bream fishing - they bring buckets of pellets and riddle an area, or make "boily balls" and launch them at a target site with a slingshot - then fish it. They might chum up an area a day or hours ahead, then come back and fish it after the prey have congregated. Of course - they can use live minnows for pike fishing too, so . . .

But - if it's JUST carp? Man - live up to your name - get a Spear and slam em! OR maybe some bow-action! Git 'er done!!!
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#6
I think your biggest problem would have been with the woman after you hooked one of her fishy's she was feeding.[Image: happy.gif]
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#7
The answer is YES, it is chumming.
Is it illegal in this case?
I don't know.
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#8
Too lazy to look up the answer in the regs but my take is someone that hunts geese on a field that has been baited whether they knew it or not is guilty of baiting so my take would be don't do it or else you may get a ticket. J
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#9
OK, I've got another hypothetical. What if I eat a can of corn for breakfast (do it all the time [Wink]), and later in the boat I get a bit nauseated. Is it chumming if I ralph my breakfast into the water?
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#10
Even more so if you started shooting them with arrows...

Twang!! ................ "Whut?"
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