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Surf Casting Rods and Reels
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I have my new surf casting rods and reels and I tried casting a five ounce test weight, but I don't know how to cast it yet. It should cast two hundred yards and I'm only casting a hundred feet.

I have big lures and nine weeks of vacation time saved up.

I still need to research places to go surf fishing and once I learn how to cast, I'll look to plan a ocean fishing vacation.

Has anyone in Utah surf fished?

Show me how to cast.

The first picture at the link is how I fly over Utah Lake.

The next picture is my surf casting g rod at Sandy Pond.

Ronald Smile
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#2
Ive seen some long casts on surf gear but nothing close to 200 yards. Thats a long, long cast.
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#3
Yes, it is! Surf casting typically consists of wading out as far as they can and then casting as far as they can to get past the last sand bar into the deep beyond the surf where big fish patrol for small fish.

But, fishing with this equipment,they setup a picnic table, invite their friends and family, have their lure selection on the table and feet on dry ground and cast out farther than those who first waded out before casting!

The trick is to have the carbon fiber rod fully load with the weight accelerating and launching the lure or bait.
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[cool][#0000ff]I have fished the surf and inshore areas along both Atlantic and Pacific coastlines. There are vast differences in conditions, species and the tackle and techniques necessary to catch fish. In places you will be well served by having a long rod and a reel/line setup to allow long casts. But in the majority of surf fishing situations you will catch more fish within easy casting distance of the shoreline. Along many beaches in California you can catch plenty of corbina, croakers, surf perch and even halibut by casting less than a hundred feet. And you can use light spinning tackle and have a ball on the average size fish you catch.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]There are places along the west coast where you need to power out a long cast to reach the edges of kelp and rocky reefs for calico bass and other species. And around San Francisco and northward there are some big stripers to be had by chucking big lures long distances off the rocks. But in those same areas there is usually plenty of great inshore fishing for light tackle enthusiasts.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Off the east coast there are more of the situations you describe...with big stripers, bluefish and red drum cruising just on the other side of far out offshore sandbars. And in those situations you do need booster rockets to launch your offerings out to the best fishing. However, many surf casters fish much further out than necessary. Lots of big predators cruise the troughs near the beach during high tides to pick off the invertebrates washed out of the sand by the waves...or the smaller fish feeding on the invertebrates.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Sorry to say this but most serious surf anglers I know consider the long range stuff to be more of a novelty than a necessity. With some it seems to have more appeal as "show-off" casting ability than for meaningful fish harvesting. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I just shake my head in wonder when I see guys chucking out bait rigs with six ounce sinkers as far as they can throw them...for fish that often weigh little more than their sinkers. Especially when I am fishing beside them...with a light action 7 foot rod and 6 pound line...making only short casts into inshore pockets...and catching a whole lot more fish...and having infinitely more fun.[/#0000ff]
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Kent,
Try stripers 24 7 and Stripers on line for some good info on catching stripers on Long Island.

They and the Blues will "Boil" just like wipers on Willard when they get some bunker pinned up against the shore. But imagine the fish doing the boiling being over 10lbs.
That's when to throw big popping plugs into them if it's shallow or over rocks or big Krockodiles, Hopkins or Acme Cast Masters into the fray if the water is deep or smooth bottom.
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" ... long range stuff to be more of a novelty than a necessity ..."

Definitely a novelty.

I like novelity. I include it in my list of fishing experiences to live because that is part of the whole package of fishing experiences I will enjoy. I'm going for nearly the full spectrum of fishing.

I started with deep sea fishing as a child with my family. I will have a sailboat and enjoy being at sea again in the future.

Imagine the contrast from those big hooks to seeing tiny size 26 fly fishing hooks in Colorado on a skiing vacation as a teenager. It was a joke to me. I said that seems the right size, but why would anyone want to catch a fly?

A few years later, I was catching big fish fly fishing. I didn't think that would happen, but I enjoyed it and got very deep into fly tying, studied it and watched the experts tie in Idaho and bought the best of Saddle hackles and Nor-Vices.

I got seriously into preparedness and fly fishing certainty fulfilled my preparedness fishing needs. But, from a barter commodity and getting others to fish perspective, the conventional fishing with lures enticed me because others can become proficient at it quicker. I put all of my fly fishing gear away and bought all sizes of lures and rods and quite a range from bait casting and spinning and ultra light to extra heavy.

The extreme version of distance surf casting was just a tiny part of the full spectrum of fishing I embrace, yet one that intrigues me perhaps because it is a challenge that I can't cast it well, yet. I suppose I talk about that one disproportionately here because I'm seeking to learn from others here. I seem to not be learning it on my own and seek help in learning to cast it and figure in a serious fishing group as big as ours, someone has done it. Let's go fishing and while were at it, a surf casting lesson is just what I need.

But, admittedly you are right. It does reflect on an aspect of my personality. I'm an extremist -- at work, in my studies, my hobbies and more. The fly tying I pursued to extremes. Those Saddle hackles are incredible and you won't find anything like them in the stores. I tied ants that look like ants. I'm a bicycle racer. That's extreme! Even the last place finisher of a bicycle race is extreme, but I push myself. It is a show off thing, but I'm showing off to me. I enjoy the gift of amazingly great health and fitness our Creator gave me and enjoy testing it out and living it. I tend to make almost everything athletic when I can -- even fishing.

My fly fishing friends use trolling motors on their pontoon boats, but I use oars and fins and by now you might guess -- huge ones. My shore fishing is long hikes. My mountain fishing is that with climbs. I'm even going to get into bicycle fishing as in one of my early posts.

When I bought my surf casting rod, the seller told me I don't understand -- they are used to cast bait out far -- not cast and retrieve with lures. I said: What's the difference? He said bait is cast and wait, but cast and retrieve will wear you out. Great! That's exactly what I wanted -- yet another way to make fishing athletic, well at times -- it's just part of the full spectrum of fishing experiences I enjoy and seek.

Early this July, I took a week (plus both weekends) fishing vacation. The part of it that influenced my decision to buy the surf casting rod was fishing and camping at Little Reservoir just up the canyon east of Beaver, Utah. (Picture at link.). For two days, I chased after boils of minnows. Minnows would suddenly start jumping out of the boil seconds before a huge silver fish crashes through them and high into the air.

I would run along shore, yep, athletic fishing again, and try to get closer in time to cast to it. In two days, I succeeded only twice, but my lure was like just another minnow and that big silver fish is still there.

I decided I wanted to learn how to cast greater distances and reach the boils from where I stand on shore even if it isn't right in front of me. I want to cast a large four ounce, ten inch swim bait over a boil and swim it into it. I figure the big predatory fish is a bully and wouldn't take kindly to that and go after it in defense of it's claim on a minnow ball. It became yet another of my many personal challenges. Yep, it's extreme. It will be fun. Would there be someone there to be impressed? Perhaps, but I don't care -- it's my personal challenge and me being me.

Saturday, I bought a lot of tiny lures. That's in my Sandy Pond post. I'll be trying my ultra light rods next to cast them. They don't cast far with my medium light rod. I want to cast beyond the green slime out where fish are jumping.

Cabela's Salt Striker metal salt water spinning reels are on an online only sale now at half price and better with Cabela's points back. The box just came today. Yep, you probably just guessed it -- I got the largest size. But, I also got the smallest size and it's tiny. The smallest -- that's extreme, too.

Full range of fishing experiences for me: {Big, tiny, quick and spontaneous, extended well planned camping adventures with fishing, bait casting, spinning, size 22 ants, big swim bait, close casting, far, athletic, relaxing, solitude, group fun and everything in-between.}

Ronald Smile
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#7
I take my 10' surf rod down to Cabo every year. I can cast a long ways; never measured exactly and have caught everything from sierra mackerel to a 100 lb shark.

Like you stated having the ability to cast to the bait fish that is out of range of a regular rod is not just novelty.

I would recommend going down there to fish.
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Saw some fellas out on the Columbia with the line coiled in a five gallon bucket and a big ass slingshot, it was way cool.

I can only get 100 yards with a 12 ft Ugly Sick and a Penn 330 using an 8 oz weight and a big old mort.

Good Luck!

PS: Remote controlled boats would be fun, but I'm afraid I'd forget to watch my pole. lol
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MAN! Cast 300 to 600 feet is insane. You guys are awesome. I watched a show with the sling shot approach. Cool as heck!
Also saw a show recently where the fishers put balloons on. I am not talking the little ones fly fishers use, I mean kiddy size/ birthday type balloons. They cast as far as they can and let the wind drift the balloons.
Tight lines to you guys!
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