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Got out at O'Dark thirty to meet up with Toadly for some ice-tripping. It was FOGGEEEE in the canyon. Like driving through a tunnel! Was SO thick (white knuckles!) I couldn't even see the turnoff to Mantua - before I knew if I'm seeing the Brigham exit and saying of sharks!
Sorry to keep ya waiting Todd! Thought I'd even got an early start for a change? Ha - couldn't have THAT!
Still we got on the ice while it was dark, and hoofed it out to the tip of the Knoll - where there's a trickle of a stream/inlet. There was some open ice right up by shore, so after some test holes, we settled in, popped the tents, and got busy. A friend of Todd's was there too - and Mark had the HOT hand for big trout!
Weren't getting much love at first, moved around a bit - and did get into a few perch. Then Mark lands this nice 18" colorful Rainbow - a native I believe. Later he pulled in a chunky toothy 17" Cutty.
Had a few dink perch mess with use, and some bitty gills. Got into a few decent perch (8-9", fat), and some platter sized Gills up toward the 8" mark.
Bite was slow where we were at - not lots of blips on the Vex or cameras, and the spring bobber were pretty quiet. But did manage to dial in my jig, and watch some tender perch/bluegill take a GOOD long look at it (usually, before swimming away!). They seemed pretty spooked by bouncing jigs, and a jerk, then dead-stick seemed most effective.
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It was pretty cold, so we all tented up while the wind blew, and a light snow fell. With all the fog - the ice didn't seem so noisy as it was yesterday. Less folks out (surprise?). Did get messages from Lavaman that they were out on the west side. All I know is "they slayed em" - but he ALWAYS says that! [:p]
Couple shots from the day. How'd anyone else do out there?
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Way to go Yote and Toadly! Great pics.
Well, I wish we would have gotten out there earlier but when you drag kids along, that's what happens. We still had a blast though. No pics because I don't have the cord for the cell, but we got into 'em. Colton actually caught the biggest trout- around 15"ish. No Gills today which was odd. Tons of the planter bows and perch though. No records broken today. He sure had a good time! Lots of ice fisherman today.
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[cool][#0000ff]Rainbow...a native??[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Does not compute. Only "native" species in the lake are cutts...and they are planted.[/#0000ff]
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What to you call a fish that is spawned in the same water that it lives in. If the Rainbow was there by natural reproduction I would think that this is what CS meant.
I know that it isn't the correct wording but just saying.
I doubt that the trout that are stocked in Mantua have clipped fins so it would be hard to tell if it was stocked or natural recrutement.
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[cool][#0000ff]Just pullin' his chain. I have lived in Utah long enough to have heard virtually every species of trout referred to as "natives" at one time or another. And to each angler it seems to mean something different. Mostly it is applied to "streamborn" or natural reproduction within the system...rather than being planted. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]There are goobers in Utah that will go fist city with you if you challenge them on this. Any fish that has all its fins just gotta be a "native"...even if it is a planter that has been in the natural environment long enough to assume natural coloration and grow out healthy fins. And even the "finless Freddies" begin to look like wild fish after they have been on a natural diet and grown well over few months or years. You cain't hardly tell 'em from natives.[/#0000ff]
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So what - you calling me a goober now? (I prefer raisinets, to be honest). Them's faaatin wurds! I'll meet you on the ice at dawn, and we can have this out!
I was just reguritating what some other anglers were saying. Based on color, array of fins, as well as a pointed tail, not rounded from the broodery. So given time - does a hatchery fishes tail square out?
I think - as suggested - the main idea is a spawned fish, not a planted one. But I dunno.
Our party did nab into this nice Cutthrout too. Pretty sure it was planted. Interesting to compare the mouths - and BOTH them suckers have some teeth! My stupid little dog was bold enough to snatch the big bow out of the cooler. Luckily she just "played" with it in the snow, and didn't chomp in! (damned mutt! Grrr).
Here - you can get a closer look. (the ruler ends at 16")
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yote - nice job buddy! man i need to put away the soft water gear and pull out the power auger and ice 55 and find some hard water! planning on hitting mantua a few times in the next two weeks! maybe we can meet up and slay some fishy fishies
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Lmao! yep had that argument with some old timers at Willow pond. They insisted the finless brookie brood stock were splake! I had to say something cause I couldn't stand it but I regretted it down the road. These guys were adamant about it! They would argue to their grave it was splake (edited). I didn't think it was funny at the time, I got pretty flustered.
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Yes fins can grow back if not damaged down to the stub. But i can assure you none of the trout are from "natural" reproduction. That one with perfect fins was likely stocked at like 3-4 inches and it grew up in the lake. That cutt is a brood stocker, there were tons of them this summer with varying lengths of fins. Some stubs some more finned.
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[cool] [#0000ff]Two of my favorite sayings come to mind:[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]1. You can always tell an opinionated person. You just can't tell them much.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]2. A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I think it would be interesting for the two of us to sit down and compare notes on some of the fruitless "discussions" we have had in the past...with some of the pseudo-biologists that seem to abound on Utah waters. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I lost count a long time ago of the number of passionate protestations that there are indeed blue cats and flathead cats in Utah Lake. It is also interesting/frustrating to hear some of the identities made on even our most common species. It is common for folks to misidentify a green sunfish as a bluegill. But I once had a guy threaten to swim out and "whup my (behind)" when I corrected him about calling green sunfish "rock bass".[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]What is  ...and has led both to citations and written changes to the proclamation...is the inability of many anglers to distinguish between rainbows and cutthroats. On lakes where there are restrictions...like Strawberry...it is important to know how to identify the species you are likely to catch.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Seems like everybody has their own idea about what "native" means. When I was a kid in Idaho it was applied to little streamborn brookies...as opposed to the planted rainbows. But when I later heard it used for cutthroats I was  . I think I have been all my life...and it gets worse as I get older.[/#0000ff]
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[cool][#0000ff]You know that my comments were not meant as a personal attack...just a friendly poke.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Good report and nice pics. [/#0000ff]
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[quote TubeDude][cool] [#0000ff]You know that my comments were not meant as a personal attack...just a friendly poke.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Good report and nice pics. [/#0000ff][/quote]
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Way to stir the pot, TD.
Wait a minute......TD=Tube Dude.....AND TD=Tye Dye..... aha! I've discovered your alter ego!
Naw, I'm just jerkin YOUR chain now[  ]
Nice fish Yote. That rainbow has quite the gut. If I were a trout, I'd look like that with lamb chops.
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Alright is there any way to simply delete a post, instead of "edit"?
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[quote TubeDude] [#0000ff]I once had a guy threaten to swim out and "whup my (behind)" when I corrected him about calling green sunfish "rock bass".[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]What is ...and has led both to citations and written changes to the proclamation...is the inability of many anglers to distinguish between rainbows and cutthroats. On lakes where there are restrictions...like Strawberry...it is important to know how to identify the species you are likely to catch.[/#0000ff]
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Aren't rock bass an east-of-the-Mississippi species?
The proc, and the little "cutthroat vs rainbow" pamphlet the wildlife guys put out cleared all that confusion up for me. Where I'm by the proc is where bait is and isn't okay. Like on the lower Provo. I couldn't find a map anywhere that had the DWR's landmark "Olmstead diversion dam" on it, so I just assume anywhere in Provo Canyon downstream from Deer Creek, there's nowhere bait is allowed, and there's a two fish limit. I'm sure I'm wrong but better than getting cited. [crazy]
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[cool][#0000ff]There is one species of sunfish specifically called a "rock bass". However, that term is also attached to several other members of the sunfish family. As you travel around the country it is amazing all of the common names given to various members of the sunfish family.[/#0000ff]
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[quote TubeDude][cool][#0000ff]You know that my comments were not meant as a personal attack...just a friendly poke.[/#0000ff]
[#0000ff]Good report and nice pics. [/#0000ff][/quote]
Hey - you're not the only one around here who's thick skinned, and thick skulled!
I hope you know my reply was meant as a joke.
I'll confess - fish-ID is not my strongest skill. Differentiating between all them slippy slimers can get confusing, especially as you can have so much color variation within a species.
Nothing like urban legends and locale lore to set the "rules". All I know if someone told me they were good on the smoker!
Late last fall I caught what I thought was my first Tiger Trout, later to realize it was a Brown trout in my photo (pretty sure). Surprised no-one called me on it!
Hope some of those Tigers are still in there.
So TD - question was raised - what's your expert opinion - what kind of minnows are these? Perch, Bluegill - or most likely a mix of the both? I thought the little buggers were kinda cute, even if they are a bit slimy. Can you use tummy-minners for bait? Suppose they've already been 'worked on'.
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Thanks - but to be clear - credit where credit is due.
I actually didn't catch a trout at all Sunday (several Saturday). Todd's friend had the hot hand for the big fish. I'm just doing the smoking service.
{otherwise those bruisers would be ice entries}
I probably won't be able to make it out until "next year". But maybe a New Years Day outing could be in the making.
I would love to get out with you and chase those slabbos! Maybe even hook up a toothy bugger (2012 goal, musky through the ice). Newton's well capped. Pineview's gotta be on the way. But I'd probably have to bring a lantern and plan on staying up all night, right?!
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"So TD - question was raised - what's your expert opinion - what kind of minnows are these? Perch, Bluegill - or most likely a mix of the both? I thought the little buggers were kinda cute, even if they are a bit slimy. Can you use tummy-minners for bait? Suppose they've already been 'worked on'."
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That's effed up man!
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[quote Fin-S-Fish]Lmao! yep had that argument with some old timers at Willow pond. They insisted the finless brookie brood stock were splake! I had to say something cause I couldn't stand it but I regretted it down the road. These guys were adamant about it! They would argue to their grave it was splake lmao. I didn't think it was funny at the time, I got pretty flustered.[/quote]
But according to this, they planted Lakers not Brookies
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