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The two passions I have in life are Fly Fishing and Hiking. I luv traveling into the back country, seeing native animals in there habitats and snapping a photo if it.
But now things have gone haywire, A new law has passed stating:
HB187 would make it a Class A misdemeanor to photograph livestock, crops or orchards without the owner's consent. The bill has already been passed by a committee in the Utah Legislature. HB187 is now before the entire House.
This law was to stop PETA from taking those Animal Cruelty videos but in doing so stops Utahans from snapping photos of Animals that may have traveled onto private property.
Say you see a huge Moose or a 8 point buck on private property (if its not fenced off how the hell do you know were a private land starts and ends) you take you camera out to snap a pic... Well Sir you have just committed a Crime and can now be charged in court with it.
What really pisses me off is this bill shows again, the favoritism to private land owners. Private land owners are small minority of Utahans but this law effects all Utahans sound familiar ( HB141) The bill HB187 now Sits on Herberts desk if he signs it will become law.
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Only in utah ! [:p]
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Let's keep things in perspective here. You wanna get pissed off - do it at the source of the problem, those from the bleeding heart PETA. [#ff4040] [/#ff4040][#000000]The way most animals are treated on farms, ranches & even slaughter houses are for the most part humane. There are some instances where things really need correcting but they aren't the rule. [/#000000]
I'm betting this whole thing has its roots in the videotaping of the hog farms around Milford. The agricultural folks have a legitimate concern in that the only scenes that make it to public view are the exceptions.
Remember this: It is stated in the Bible that God gave man dominion over all creatures. Look up the definition of dominion in a dictionary.
If I want to take a picture, I'm damn well gonna do it.
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You need to look at why this law is.. Why do you want to take pictures of cows in fields or yards anyway???
Are they yours?? If not ask first..
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Not interested of taking photos of cows but since this is a fishing board....Say you snap a pic of your catch just so happens there private land in background. Well now that land owner has the right to tell you take the pic down and destroy it or they can press charges.
Same goes for just about any pic you take that's of private property "Deer in a orchard" "Moose in a cow pasture" ect ect ... its censorship at its finest.
You post that pic on facebook or one of the social media sites even BFT and bamm you could get nailed with a misdemeanor.
My point being this law effects all Utahans and only benefits private land owners
These are just possible scenarios I dont think anyone would be that big of a jackass to tell you to take down your pic but the reality of it is, this could be the LAW
If the bill passes id be breaking the law for posting this pic
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Come on I think you're a real threat to the Great State Of Utah. First you're a commie socialist that wants to fish public streams. Now you want to take pictures that have others people property in it. Sooner people like you are put away the safer I'll feel[crazy].
Seriously, I'd call our legislature Lunatic Fringe but that's way to the center compared to their behavior. Making the State of Utah a joke with it's laws isn't an effective way to combat PETA or anything else. For a State that whines about big Federal Government and likes to ignore the Constitution on all sorts of issues sure ironic how intrusive and restrictive on every day Utahans the laws they are imposing lately.
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So even those fishing pictures best not have any scenery in the background. We need change here big time.
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Get a life...
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Awahaha Thats a awesome argument on why the law should be supported. I guess when god was handing out brains you thought he said beans and went to lunch. [  ]
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What if someone was in front of your house taking pictures of your yard or your truck or your dog or your kids? Would it piss you off? I never can fully understand the attitude that people should be able to do whatever they want were ever they want to do it, ie. river access, or tresspassing through private ground to get to public ground. The argument was made that the privat landowners make up a small percent of the public but it seems like all you want is access to the places you can't go. What the hell happened to finding out who owns the property that you want to access or the cow you want to photograph. It's  that a law has to be passed to get people to mind their own business or even worse actually ask for permission. It's called common courtsey. And furthermore, not to generalize a group, but in my observations via the news and even a lot of posts on here, it seems that the only people that complain about not being able to tromp wherever they want are the fly fishers. We have no more right to photograph things that don't belong to us or to tresspass as they do to walk around your yard or come in your house and grab a snack out of your fridge. If your pissed because the only place you can snap a pic of a nice buck or bull is on private ground then complain to the DWR, since they are in charge of what is happening on public land. And if yor jones'n for a pic of a cow, there are plenty of free pics of Hilary on the web you could probably download.
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First of all as a private land owner you are welcome to take pictures of my cows anytime and most of my neighbors who are ranchers would feel the same way. Just show us the courtesy of letting us know,closing our gates and staying on our roadways so as to not destroy our livelihood. If we appear a little cautious it may come from the threats many of us have recieved about cutting our fences and burning down our haystacks or times when we have found a cow in the field that has been shot and left to lay. I doubt there will be many lawsuits from landowners I know if a little common courteousy is used. We all have private property rights as was shown last week in Springville by a home owner during a home invasion. Hopefully we can all just get along and enjoy this old world together.
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So be it if person stops and take pic of my house family or kids means nothing to me why would it piss me off ?
I don't think you have thought this through some only see what in front of them and cant see the entire picture. ( no pun intended) Its not just about taking pics of cows and private land.
I think that were some get caught up you need to understand that when laws get passed its stipulates how our freedoms are governed.
Think of it this way say your public square like mall you take a pic of your buddies and accidentally take a pic of someone walking in the background.. now that person who just walked by can come over and tell you to destroy that pic or they will file charges against you. If this bill passes the law would be on there side and you would either have to destroy your pic or be charged or both. ( of course this is only a example )
Its not about so called entitlement or socialism you speak of. Is about equal rights Why should one side have privileges over another. That person who just walk by in your photo should not have the right to tell you to destroy your photo no more than you have. This law says differently.
As for HB141 that a different story....
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Well I won't take pics of the bison on the farms in Hyrum anymore. They are just a favorite animal of mine in burgers and walking around. Oh that meat tastes great. I see where cattle guys get worried. PETA and vegans would have a heart attack if they saw what went on in the pork factory (packaging) I worked at several years ago. 60,000 dead pigs a day came down the line. If PETA got cameras in there it would hurt sales and that aint right at all. It isn't fair that they would hurt a ranchers business either.
Maybe it would come down to intent. Still if the cops get called how can they tell if your a bleeding hart peta member or a camera clicking tourist. Guess that is up to the courts and the officer that responds to the call.
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Wasn't the purpose of the bill to stop animal rights groups from going onto farms under false premises and taking photos? I think most farmers or land owners could care less if you take a picture of a cow, deer, elk or anything else out in their field. They do care when you are there to just cause trouble or trespassing. I really doubt many people are going to spend their valuable time looking at the millions of photos on the internet to see if there cow is in a picture.
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We are on the same page in the fact that I too get frustrated with all the laws and being regulated in everything we do. My only thought is as a private land owner whether it be a small lot in a subdivision somewhere or my small cattle operation there has to be some laws to protect our rights because alot of people don't give a darn about anybody else or anything else. The oringinal post seemed to me like " those damned private property owners again". I agree this bill probably goes abit far but having had some of the experiences I have had with people I can also see where it is coming from.
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I dont think we need a law for everything we do I too get frustrated hearing were passing frivolous laws.
This law will do nothing to stop Pro Animal Rights groups but will put another law Barnie Fife can use to cite you.
I should have edited my original post I honestly don't think Private land owners and Ranchers are the problem and support there rights. Its your land do what you want with it.
But when Sheriff Joe Mustache comes driving by there another law you can be cited for....
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What if the person taking the pics had bad intentions for you or your family, I know that would piss me off, plus it's just plain creepy. I understand what your getting at and I do think it is insane to say you can't take pictures of scenery or animals. What I'm getting at is that we need to respect the landowners rights and the reason that most landowners are so touchy is because most people don't. On the flipside I don't think it is the governments job to patrol and regulate what happens on private ground, that responsibility is the landowners problem. In reality this law is so ridiculous and would be so hard to enforce that I doubt it will make it much further. I mean what is there gonna be some kind of photo shop task force hiding on fence lines looking for would be photo offenders? I mean think about what would happen to google, they would be in for one hell of a lawsuit.
The people that own wilderness or land with rivers going through it have just as much a right to protect it as you do with your own home, pasture, ect. There's not a bit of difference between walking on private land and shooting a buck you saw on public and walking up a river from public to private. Yes, we pay money as the public every year to preserve and manage these resources but bottom line is trespassing is trespassing no matter how you cut it. And private land is beneficial to the public because it gives wildlife a recluse from the masses and I think that benefits the surrounding areas.
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so what if it's not really a camera they're looking through - but actually a gun-sight!
And who says we've got two many lawyers!
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I have nothing to hide so if someone wants pictures - help yourself. By the same token, as I stated before, I'll damn well take a picture if I want to.
Years ago when I was in the Marines they used to derisively refer to the "ten percenters" as those who screwed it up for all of us. In this case, I don't think it even comes close to 10% but they are sure trying.
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I take it your state of mind is after the pic has been taken and you do have a point. I doubt there is going to be a task force trolling the internet, but at the same time if your point is 100% true then hows it going to stop PETA and Pro Animal Groups ? Hows it going to protect Private land owners homes, pasture ect. Like you said these laws really don't get enforced so whats the point. Other then these senators spending tax dollars to pass a another frivolous law.
Furthermore say your taking pic a mountain or some animal or what ever and Officer small hands is in the area is being a prick todaaaa heres your ticket LOL.
I know for a fact Morgan County Sheriffs use to patrol Taggart, Croyden and the Devils Slide. I bs'ed with an officer for a little bit and he joked about how he arrests and cites people out there with warrants and legal fishing Licenses.
Who said anything about trespassing ? We so called wand flickers are the ones are strongly abiding by the law on hopes of change.
Google was already sued to remove copy righted material from there searches. Come SOPA and PIPA entire websites and ISP's may be shutdown... but that's a different post. [ ]
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