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[fishin]Just returned from the third year in a row of fishing at Lake of the Woods in Minnesota. Iced around 30 Walleyes and 100 Saugers between four of us. Wasnt as good as past years but a storm front came in and shut them down the last day and a half. It was still a blast.Utah could stand to have a stocking program like they have in Minnesota. They supplement more than you realize as you can see by the attachment. Very interesting read. Or why not plant saugers or saugeyes in this state. They taste exactly like walleyes.They can survive anywhere a walleye can. Lake of the Woods is lucky to be 40 feet Deep at its Deepest depth. Average is way shallower than that. So they dont need deep water lakes to survive. We were in 27 Feet. And I dont want to hear that the walleyes in this state do ok by themselves cause they dont. The forage fish die off or are depleted and then the walleyes suffer. True, The only lake that is able to maintain its walleye population in my opinion is Utah Lake and they have tons of forage fish. The lakes here fluctuate on water levels because of the fact of irrigation needs. But the DWR could also plant forage fish in the reserviors to help the food supply. I think they should at least cater somewhat to other than the droves of trout fishermen in this lake. Pan fish and walleye fishing has become more popular and is growing steadily in this state. Plus perch are getting way more attention and respect than they did when it was a kid. Its a shame people have to drive to Cascade in Idaho to catch a decent Perch. Starvation is a good example of what can happen to the forage fish and the walleye will suffer from it. Cacade has been planting perch for twelve years straight. Why cant we do this? I was there this year in January and amazed at the size of those things. Their heads looked like smallmouth bass heads.
The tons of People parked at Pineview and Mantua as well as other fisheries in the state with little or no Trout populations show that people are not there fishing for trout. Get a Clue Utah DWR. You need to start changing the fisheries in this state and Quit planting so many Slimers. Two years ago the island at Willard was crazy with boats to the point some days where it was scary to even go near it. Another example of people wanting to Catch other than trout. If we had more places with quality Fishing for other than trout it would help. We got into the walleye at Deer Creek last year but i think they are suffering due to not forage fish as well.
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your not the only one that feels this way. But its all about trout around here[  ], More eyes!!
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Hell we have plenty of walleye in Willard Bay, too many the biologists say, head on out and catch or snag some in the inlet.[  ]
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Yeah, I hear that. At teast there are some forage fish base in willard. I dont understand why Bioligists think the way they do. Years ago they were trying to take out walleyes from starvation to boost the growth with the ones they left in ther so that they werent in competion with one another. Gill netted a ton of small walleyes out and spent alot of money. Problem was, there wasnt any food in there period for the remaining walleyes. Then came the perch by bucket biologists and the DWR saw that perch were in there and abandoned that program real fast. Why didnt they just plant perch in there the first place. Go Figure. They waste alot of money on studies.
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Then came the perch by bucket biologists and the DWR saw that perch were in there and abandoned that program real fast. Why didnt they just plant perch in there the first place. Go Figure. They waste alot of money on studies.
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Why, pretty simple, bucket biologists can get away with doing things that the DWR can never do. The DWR has to file all of the paperwork with all of the various federal agencies and attempt to get their approval. In this particular case, they never would have gotten approval, because of the potential impact on endangered species downriver from Starvation. For awhile, the DWR was thinking that they may be forced to poison Starvation to remove the illegally planted perch.
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Utah is about as diverse for fish species.as you can get. All kinds of trout, bass, sunfish, whitefish, perch, walleye, pike, musky, grayling, salmon, catfish and burbot. Out West trout is king by nature and by tradition. In Minnesota walleye, SM bass and pike are king by nature and tradition. I don't see them trying to plant every lake with rainbows just because 3 people demand it. Personally I would love to see more opportunity for warm and cool water fish in the state but I know it aint all about my personal desires. DWR has to satisfy the whole population not just you or me. According to a 2011 survey referred to on page 41 of the 2014 Fishing Guide Book 83% of Utah anglers prefer trout and salmon while just 17% prefer warm/cool water fish. Utah DWR has made pretty good strides in warm water management to diversify our fisheries with nontrout. Does Idaho have their own perch hatchery? Utah doesn't. Buying from other states aint cheep. Wildlife transport and introduction regulations are complex. I think they are doing a great job with what they have to work with.
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[quote fishnate]DWR has to satisfy the whole population not just you or me. According to a 2011 survey referred to on page 41 of the 2014 Fishing Guide Book 83% of Utah anglers prefer trout and salmon while just 17% prefer warm/cool water fish.[/quote][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000][size 3]Sadly, that's a very hard pill for some of our board members to swallow. While our members appear at times to be well read and knowledgeable, we forget that we are a very small population compared to the number of license holders in our great state. While we sometimes act like this forum represents the vast majority of Utah's anglers, it just isn't so. That 2011 survey kind of says it all. I, for one, am very happy with the diversity that Utah offers in the way of fishing and pursue it at every available opportunity.
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It bet that 17 % was was less than that ten years ago so its growing. Im not saying take away all the trout fishing but make the walleye and perch fishing as quality as they do the trout fishing. They cater to the trout and what the public was raised on because thats all they have known. You can eat all the trout you want but give us a chance to at least taste a walleye or white meated fish every so often. Stabalize the fisheries so they can stand a winter kill hit. Then the populations of Walleye and Bass will have something to eat every year. As far as Utah having a perch hatchery. No they dont but maybe they should.
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Look what it did with the walleye fishing with the perch being in there. Also Jumbo perch on occasion and the trout and walleye a have no pronlem coisting there. Same thing in Deer Creek but the forage fish is being eaten up. Too many preditors with both walleye and smallmouth in both waters. The walleye ans smallies will be eating their own and each others offspring at both hthese reserviors. That probably isnt the best thing for both fisheries as far as the numbers go. They could supplement forage fish or raise a few instead of so many trout. Only my opinion.
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Utah can't afford to build the new hatcheries needed to raise warm water fish.
Some day this will change but not in the near future.
For now trout are raised in state and most other fish are either transplanted or purchased from out of state.
It takes years of planning and research to determine where new species of fish may do well. Too many times, some idiot puts unwanted fish in waters which changes everything that the UDWR had planned for that particular water.
We are seeing a slow change in the fish stocking for Utah. This is exciting news.
We simple need to let the people that know what they are doing do what they are paid to do and quit trying to be biologists ourselves.
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[font "Calibri"]These surveys aren’t a true reflection of the anglers fishing in Utah. Yes, it may be true that 83% of people surveyed prefer trout, however if they were asked how many days a year they spend fishing in Utah, I’d bet it is less than 7. I know many warm water anglers that spend well over 100 days a year fishing in Utah. But in a study like this and in the eyes of the State Fish and Game we are considered a minority, and have been told on multiple occasions that we are a small special interest group. It is the special interest groups like the Bass and Walleye fisherman that put hundreds of thousands of dollars into our local economy every year by purchasing boats, tackle, equipment, and travel expenses (fuel, lodging, food ect..) compared to the anglers who spent twenty dollars a year on power bait and a few hooks and sinkers. I have no problem with the occasional trout fisherman, everyone has their thing and if that is what they enjoy then that is great. I do have a problem with the Fish and Game saying that they are the majority and that all of their decisions and the majority of their funding should be spent on this special interest group. I wish the State Fish and Game would give back to the “hard core” guys by listening to them, instead of saying they are special interest groups and “we can’t cater to every special interest group that asks for something”. When they do their next study, they should give a point for everyday spent fishing and then ask them what species were targeted during those days. I don’t know what the results would be, but I can guarantee that more than 13% of all fishing days in Utah were spent fishing for something other than trout. [/font]
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wow what a post,,you are missing the whole game..I love to catch eyes. bass and perch.. gills you name it...but your analogy of apex preadators is way off .In the west we have very low water quality. plankton and the food chain are not great Is great to see warmwater fish here but you need to understand something, Just because you dump fish from another eco system into one that they haven't evolved in for thousands of years dosent mean its going to be a good fishery ya they are there but what are they gona eat?? forage around here is based on cold water and slimers not walleyes and bass. Most warmwater fish just survive around here and that's all they can do,,let me out in simple tearms... don't move just half of the house, eyes saugers crappies perch need the rest of the eco system to survive move the whole house,, just my view.
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[quote DKStroutfitter]Utah can't afford to build the new hatcheries needed to raise warm water fish.
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I wonder how many coins are going to Salmon River Falls, Cascade, Anderson Ranch etc. etc. etc. in Idaho?
I'm surprised that they haven't beefed up Stone to draw us a little closer to the border.
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You guys kill me. I want this fish program blah blah blah. It so simple if DWR would only blah blah blah. You live in Utah. Move if you want what another environment offers.
Personally I wish DWR would adjust the GSL salinity to that of an ocean and plant sharks,tarpon and salmon while they're at it.[crazy]
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hello we have the way to produce warmwater fish... its in slk and all they are doing is raising june suckers at this point  for us
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Look at the gizzard shad in willard. They do just fine on the zooplankton. I bet zooplankton does well in the summer in most reserviors here in the state so why not forage fish. Lets put slimers in here that catch whirling disease and get parasites on them. Good Call. Walleyes eat parasites for snacks.
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[quote riverdog]You guys kill me. I want this fish program blah blah blah. It so simple if DWR would only blah blah blah. You live in Utah. Move if you want what another environment offers.
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Yup. If'n ya wanna fish fer Walleyes like they do in Minny Soda, ya gotta be in Minny Soda.
Reservoirs don't provide a lot of habitat for forage species either. It wouldn't matter how many fish, or which types were planted if they can't establish a population. And they can't establish a population if they can't spawn and be somewhat protected. Starvation is already experiencing a perch population bust. And I'd wonder how the trout have changed the amount of use that Starvation is receiving? Even some of the die hard perch jerkers seem to get very few perch, and have to be satisfied with a few Starvation Steelheads every trip.
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I am on record as liking me some perch from time to time, although it seems like we've argued this general subject 100 times. A couple of comments.
1. What is your solution for these maddening perch die-offs that we constantly are seeing at now Starvation, Jordanelle (multiple times), Rockport, probably Deer Creek, and likely other perch fisheries here? It would seem that planting the lake full of perch only to see most of them go belly up in the spring is of limited value.
2. What is your solution around the ESA and all the sensitive/endangered species we have in our drainages for the allowing of dumping in gizzard shad and all number of other forage fish du-jour you guys always want added?
3. I never dreamed I would ever see the DWR plant perch in Yuba like they are planning to do right now. Maybe you guys might get some more of what you want if you work with them and make an effort to control bucket biology. I keep hearing about these sterile saugeyes? Just may work.
4. Trout and warmwater species seem to coexist just fine. The problems with these new introductions always seem to be with competition between 2 warmwater species for available resources. I like bass. I tend to get nervous when the walleye guys plead for their favorites in every lake in the state.
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That statement makes no sense! You tell me where the shad our hiding in Willard? Forage fish would do well everywhere in utah and then all the other fish would too.
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Amen to your post by the way Rancid!!!!
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