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Never really thought about this before but is an artificial lure considered bait when you add attractant scents/oils to it? I"ve always been under the impression if it was man made it was an artificial lure regardless if an attractant is added to the lure or not. Below is the DWR's interpretation, seems kind of gray to me:
Artificial Lure means a device made of rubber, wood, metal, glass, fiber, feathers, hair or plastic with a hook or hooks attached. Artificial lures (including artificial flies) do not include fish eggs or other chemically treated or processed natural baits or any natural or human-made food, or any lures that have been treated with a natural or artificial fish attractant or feeding stimulant.
Bait means a digestible substance, including worms, cheese, salmon eggs, marshmallows or manufactured baits including human-made items that are chemically treated with food stuffs, chemical fish attractants or feeding stimulants.
So if I use tube jigs dipped in crawdad lunker lotion it's considered bait?
Please advise all your own thoughts, and if any DWR employee's see this post, please advise what the law is and how best we are to interpret both definitions.
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You are 100% correct.
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a tube jig is not digestible,so to answer ur question.. no[  ]
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A few years ago we were checked at a artificial lure only place [secret spot]. She had everyone reel up our lures and checked each lure of our whole group. We had been using a fish attractant on our tube jigs and she said it was illegal. No ticket or warning just education.
She was one of the nicest DWR personnel we have come in contact with. She even donated a few fish to us that she had confiscated from another group that got caught using power bait.
From our experience don't use it.
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That's interesting because it's illegal to donate fish to another person in the field. The law is very clear on that --- see page 20 of the guidebook, Disposal of Aquatic Wildlife - Donating.
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She gave us an official receipt looking paper to go along with the fish?
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I guess if you read on the same page, that I would think the DWR has some latitude to donate confiscated fish. I too was donated a confiscated fish a few years back by a conservation officer.
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So I'm not alone in asking WTH!? Yes or No DWR, are attractants LEGAL or NOT LEGAL to put on artificial lures? I can't imagine how many others are totally  about this definition. They need to better define this rule so there is no confusion, to me, an attractant is an oil, paste, wax or some other form of derivative.
They also need to remove the "or any lures that have been treated with a natural or artificial fish attractant or feeding stimulant." from the Artificial Lure definition or your going to have a bunch of fellow fishermen breaking laws unknowingly.
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It's saying that you cannot use anything treated with an attractant makes perfect sense to me.
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It is legal to add attractants, including salt, to an artificial lure as long as you're fishing someplace where bait is legal. Strawberry for example. It's illegal to add scents, attractants, or stimulants where bait is not legal i.e. artificial flies and lures only waters. Ashley Creek, and Barney Lake are the first two examples in the guidebook.
Quote:I"ve always been under the impression if it was man made it was an artificial lure regardless if an attractant is added to the lure or not.
So, by your impression, is Power Bait an artificial lure, or is it bait? It's man made.
There is no need to change the law to keep someone from unknowingly breaking it. It is up to us to know the law.
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Quote:It is legal to add attractants, including salt, to an artificial lure as long as you're fishing someplace where bait is legal. Strawberry for example. It's illegal to add scents, attractants, or stimulants where bait is not legal i.e. artificial flies and lures only waters. Ashley Creek, and Barney Lake are the first two examples in the guidebook.
So by law I cannot use a tube jig (by itself mind you) that is pre-treated with salt anywhere that is artificial fly and lure only (i.e. Minersville Reservoir)?
If that is the case I cannot use any tube jig because they are all manufactured with chemicals in some sort or another that could be construed as a chemical fish attractant/stimulant, (i.e.: release agents used in molds, lubricants on hooks and other metal parts).
Quote:So, by your impression, is Power Bait an artificial lure, or is it bait? It's man made.
To me a bait is worms, eggs, power bait, corn, etc., salt is not a bait to me, smelly jelly is not a bait to me, both are attractants.
I have yet to find a tube jig that doesn't have oil of some sort on it or salt. So due to the manufacturing process adding salt or adding oil to keep them conditioned in the bags makes them by definition, bait.
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The process of adding a release agent to the tube jig, which helps in the manufacturing process, does not add an attractant or stimulant .... unless the release agent is specifically formulated to include such things. Salt is a scent or attractant any time, and would tend to dry the tubes out rather than condition them to be moist.
Berkley makes some tubes and bodies that are quite dry, but have attractants in the "plastic".
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According to Berkley's web site only the Power Bait plastics and the Gulp Plastics have feeding stimulants but it implies that the Havoc line is not impregnated with anything.
From their site:
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So you might try a Berkley Havoc Smash Tube.
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This isn't that hard to understand.
If a scent is added to a lure it can't be used on an artificial only water.
It doesn't matter if the scent was added at the manufacture or by you.
Unscented jigs can be used on artificial only waters.
Maniac makes both types of lures as do many other manufactures.
Be sure you know what you are using to keep within the law.
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The DWR has long established that salt, along with the attractants used in many of our bassin plastics is illegal in an AFL water like Minersville. If you look around, you can still find non salt, non impregnated plastics available that can be legally used.
You can thank this rule due to dim bulbs that would soak ear plugs and other foam items in smelly jelly, fish oil, or other attractants and fish them like power bait or cheese in AFL waters. Of course, when these items were bit, they would be swallowed deeply, defeating the purpose of the AFL regulation.
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I had some questions about rules and laws so I emailed the DWR and the head of law enforcement replied back. Here is the link:
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You might want to cut and paste the reply if handy.
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my inquiry was about big game hunting, so it wouldn't be much help here.
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Makes sense thanks
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It is 100% artificial UNTILL you add any kind of bait/scent.
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