09-04-2017, 07:22 PM
Fishrmn, I feel your pain, and I understand your concerns, and we even agree about the wipers in Scofield, but....
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[url "http://www.bigfishtackle.com/cgi-bin/community/community.cgi?do=user_page;pg=user_profile_view.html;username=dubob"]dubob[/url], East Canyon Lake has an elevation of about 5700 feet. Compare this to the elevation of Scofield of 7630 feet. this almost 2000 feet difference means a huge difference in season length and seasonal average temperature. I cannot find any reported success with Strippers, White Bass, or the their cross, Wipers, at that elevation. [#ff0000] I have serious concerns, but if we don't give it a try, we will never know[/#ff0000].
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[font "Times New Roman"][size 3] Fred, sometimes it is not the numbers but the size. LOL [#ff0000]They stocked ~5500 but they were less then 4" in length[/#ff0000]. [/size][/font]
I know that it is difficult to determine how many will survive, but probably less then 10% will grow to chub eating size. It would have been less if they were put in smaller, more if they were put in larger, but the cost of feeding these eating machines to larger size is huge. I would have put 10 times that number, but I expect they did not have them available at this time.
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[font "Times New Roman"] Next year they should be in the mid to upper teens and they will be eating those chubs up to 6" or more. Don't expect to catch many for some time, they will have so much protein and fat that they will be lazy and monster slobs for some time. With life spans of about 10 years, they will be a force to be reckoned with.[/font]
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[font "Times New Roman"]Now, my input. Sterile Walleye would do well in Scofield, and if you overstock them they will clean up chubs in a hurry. They are native to the far north so cold short seasons are not a problem. Additionally, because they cannot spawn, they will die off and the prized rainbows can be phased back in.[/font]
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[font "Times New Roman"]I have seen Tiger Muskies clean lakes out in Idaho (Hauser)and Washington (Silver), and I do mean clean them out. If enough are put in, nothing is safe, even small Tiger Muskies. I have seen them clean out perch, crappie, carp, yes common carp, bullhead catfish, well anything that swims. The key is that you need to balance the numbers. They overstocked the two lakes I am talking about to do just that and then lifted the limits on the Tiger Muskies to allow the anglers to keep "trophies". When the numbers were down, and the local Musky club lobbied, they put a single over 50" fish limit on them. I expect that instead Utah will creep up on the numbers they want. You won't get the chubs out as fast with the creep up way, but you can put rainbow in faster. [/font]
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[font "Times New Roman"]The cutties will help, and they are clearly stocking lots of them right now. As they get bigger, the Strawberry effect will kick in.[/font]
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[font "Times New Roman"]You may never get all of the chubs out, but you can get them down, reduce or eliminate the walleye, "wiper", Tiger Muskie, etc., stocking, then increase the "trout" stocks.[/font]
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Or should I have stated it [#000000][size 7]BUT[#000000][size 3], because it is a big but, if done properly their plan will work. I just hope the committee is composed of people with knowledge and experience, with the willpower to follow through.[/size][/#000000][/size][/#000000]
First the questions,
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[url "http://www.bigfishtackle.com/cgi-bin/community/community.cgi?do=user_page;pg=user_profile_view.html;username=dubob"]dubob[/url], East Canyon Lake has an elevation of about 5700 feet. Compare this to the elevation of Scofield of 7630 feet. this almost 2000 feet difference means a huge difference in season length and seasonal average temperature. I cannot find any reported success with Strippers, White Bass, or the their cross, Wipers, at that elevation. [#ff0000] I have serious concerns, but if we don't give it a try, we will never know[/#ff0000].
[url "http://www.bigfishtackle.com/cgi-bin/community/community.cgi?do=user_page;pg=user_profile_view.html;username=wiper_junkie"]wiper_junkie[/url]
[font "Times New Roman"][size 3] Fred, sometimes it is not the numbers but the size. LOL [#ff0000]They stocked ~5500 but they were less then 4" in length[/#ff0000]. [/size][/font]
I know that it is difficult to determine how many will survive, but probably less then 10% will grow to chub eating size. It would have been less if they were put in smaller, more if they were put in larger, but the cost of feeding these eating machines to larger size is huge. I would have put 10 times that number, but I expect they did not have them available at this time.
[url "http://www.utahfishinginfo.com/dwr/fishstockingreport.php"]http://www.utahfishinginfo.com/dwr/fishstockingreport.php[/url]
[font "Times New Roman"] Next year they should be in the mid to upper teens and they will be eating those chubs up to 6" or more. Don't expect to catch many for some time, they will have so much protein and fat that they will be lazy and monster slobs for some time. With life spans of about 10 years, they will be a force to be reckoned with.[/font]
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[font "Times New Roman"]Now, my input. Sterile Walleye would do well in Scofield, and if you overstock them they will clean up chubs in a hurry. They are native to the far north so cold short seasons are not a problem. Additionally, because they cannot spawn, they will die off and the prized rainbows can be phased back in.[/font]
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[font "Times New Roman"]I have seen Tiger Muskies clean lakes out in Idaho (Hauser)and Washington (Silver), and I do mean clean them out. If enough are put in, nothing is safe, even small Tiger Muskies. I have seen them clean out perch, crappie, carp, yes common carp, bullhead catfish, well anything that swims. The key is that you need to balance the numbers. They overstocked the two lakes I am talking about to do just that and then lifted the limits on the Tiger Muskies to allow the anglers to keep "trophies". When the numbers were down, and the local Musky club lobbied, they put a single over 50" fish limit on them. I expect that instead Utah will creep up on the numbers they want. You won't get the chubs out as fast with the creep up way, but you can put rainbow in faster. [/font]
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[font "Times New Roman"]The cutties will help, and they are clearly stocking lots of them right now. As they get bigger, the Strawberry effect will kick in.[/font]
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[font "Times New Roman"]You may never get all of the chubs out, but you can get them down, reduce or eliminate the walleye, "wiper", Tiger Muskie, etc., stocking, then increase the "trout" stocks.[/font]
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