01-12-2010, 09:08 PM
TS30 wrote:[/quote]
HFT, good concerns. Here's my take:
"1- Public access certificate is no different than a myriad of other types of online education that takes place to recreate in our state. Swans, bow hunting, goats, collecting sheds, etc all require these types of education. In my opinion this will never turn into a fee."
In my opinion this is too easy to turn into a fee being renewed 365.
"The original proposal was a $5 access stamp. The DWR fought against this, stating education was important and they could do it for free."
Kudos to the DWR for having our back!!!
"I have to disagree that people are not stupid though."
You really don't believe that,do you? an education like this is not rocket science. It really could be a one time,and should be, education.
"2- The statement at the beginning about "not more than $1 per year" really doesn't have anything to do with anglers or recreationalists. It's only a protection for landowners in the level of duty of care they owe legally. Even if that number changed, it doesn't change anything for the recreationalists using the land. A landowner still can't willfully create dangerous circumstances and situations. They just don't have to take extra care to make it safe if you aren't paying for the use."
Some stuff besides water flows down hill. Indirectly.
"I did post it on the general Utah forum. I encourage everyone to get behind this bill. There are some compromises in it certainly (access certificate being one example) but it balances the needs of both sides in this issue and is very workable.[/quote]"
I would Like to see this bill with a change to that certificate.
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HFT, good concerns. Here's my take:
"1- Public access certificate is no different than a myriad of other types of online education that takes place to recreate in our state. Swans, bow hunting, goats, collecting sheds, etc all require these types of education. In my opinion this will never turn into a fee."
In my opinion this is too easy to turn into a fee being renewed 365.
"The original proposal was a $5 access stamp. The DWR fought against this, stating education was important and they could do it for free."
Kudos to the DWR for having our back!!!
"I have to disagree that people are not stupid though."
You really don't believe that,do you? an education like this is not rocket science. It really could be a one time,and should be, education.
"2- The statement at the beginning about "not more than $1 per year" really doesn't have anything to do with anglers or recreationalists. It's only a protection for landowners in the level of duty of care they owe legally. Even if that number changed, it doesn't change anything for the recreationalists using the land. A landowner still can't willfully create dangerous circumstances and situations. They just don't have to take extra care to make it safe if you aren't paying for the use."
Some stuff besides water flows down hill. Indirectly.
"I did post it on the general Utah forum. I encourage everyone to get behind this bill. There are some compromises in it certainly (access certificate being one example) but it balances the needs of both sides in this issue and is very workable.[/quote]"
I would Like to see this bill with a change to that certificate.
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