07-04-2010, 02:55 PM
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Haven't been on here in a while but seen "walleye" and started reading..: sounds like the same arguements here in Colorado..things don't belong..this and that aren't native..[#ff4040][/#ff4040][#ff4040]show me a trout that is "native" to any of these bodies of water the DNR is planting...[/#ff4040]walleyes eating 10 inch trout....there most be some big walleyes...and this mussels thing....come on guys[#000000][/#000000]...buy all that Government BS all day long if you want..[#ff0000][/#ff0000][#ff0000]the mussels will be transported more (and are) by waterfowl than any boat or fleet of boats. They have actually helped Lake Michigan by cleaning it up and the fisheries are ten fold now.[/#ff0000] Just another boogyman for the government to justify their existance and waste more money...
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I don't know what you've been smoking, but don't expect me to believe your BS any more than the governments. Your wrong and I challange you to cite your sources.
Cutthroat trout are native to the American West. True that they were not in the reservoirs, because the reservoirs were not in existence, but they did occupy the natural waters.
[url "http://www.westerntrout.org/trout/profiles/bonneville.htm"][/url]http://www.westerntrout.org/trout/profiles/bonneville.htm[/url]
The notion that birds can and do transport Quagga mussels is not proven and by logic does not appear to be a major contributor to the dispersal of the mussels. Fact, birds fly from one body of water to others on a daily basis, if it were true that birds are more likely to transport mussels than the entire west would already be home to them. Adult Quagga mussels do not attach themselves to waterfowl, any that do are cleaned by the fowl before flight as extra weight is not conducive to flight.
Larvae do not have the protective shell cover to maintain the moisture needed to survive and therefore cannot survive a flight from one body of water to another if the flight were to take more time than it takes for the waterfowl to dry. Most waterfowl dry almost instantly during flight due to the oils distributed on their feathers to do exactly that. Water is heavy and interferes with efficient flight of waterfowl. Ever see a Commorant "drying" it's body before flight?
So until water fowl start to carry water in sufficient quantities to maintain the moisture needed for mussel survival, they are not and will not be a factor in mussel distribution between bodies of water.
Boats, trailers and other human items that contain water, being transported between bodies of water, will continue to be the predominate method of infestation to uninfested bodies of water.
[url "http://sgnis.org/publicat/papers/crit.pdf"]http://sgnis.org/...icat/papers/crit.pdf[/url] (read page 3 to 5)
Lake Michigans prey fish numbers have been in a steady decline as the numbers of Quagga mussels has increased. Other factors may contribute, but the charts show a direct prey decline as the quagga mussels increase.
[url "http://www.jsonline.com/features/food/29465749.html"][/url]http://www.jsonline.com/features/food/29465749.html[/url]
These are not Zebra mussels, these Quaggas are able to populate much deeper water than Zebra's can, depths up to 450' are carpeted with Quaggas as shown by recent studies involving trawling and underwater camera observation.
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Haven't been on here in a while but seen "walleye" and started reading..: sounds like the same arguements here in Colorado..things don't belong..this and that aren't native..[#ff4040][/#ff4040][#ff4040]show me a trout that is "native" to any of these bodies of water the DNR is planting...[/#ff4040]walleyes eating 10 inch trout....there most be some big walleyes...and this mussels thing....come on guys[#000000][/#000000]...buy all that Government BS all day long if you want..[#ff0000][/#ff0000][#ff0000]the mussels will be transported more (and are) by waterfowl than any boat or fleet of boats. They have actually helped Lake Michigan by cleaning it up and the fisheries are ten fold now.[/#ff0000] Just another boogyman for the government to justify their existance and waste more money...
Sorry.........................off topic and sore subject[/quote]
I don't know what you've been smoking, but don't expect me to believe your BS any more than the governments. Your wrong and I challange you to cite your sources.
Cutthroat trout are native to the American West. True that they were not in the reservoirs, because the reservoirs were not in existence, but they did occupy the natural waters.
[url "http://www.westerntrout.org/trout/profiles/bonneville.htm"][/url]http://www.westerntrout.org/trout/profiles/bonneville.htm[/url]
The notion that birds can and do transport Quagga mussels is not proven and by logic does not appear to be a major contributor to the dispersal of the mussels. Fact, birds fly from one body of water to others on a daily basis, if it were true that birds are more likely to transport mussels than the entire west would already be home to them. Adult Quagga mussels do not attach themselves to waterfowl, any that do are cleaned by the fowl before flight as extra weight is not conducive to flight.
Larvae do not have the protective shell cover to maintain the moisture needed to survive and therefore cannot survive a flight from one body of water to another if the flight were to take more time than it takes for the waterfowl to dry. Most waterfowl dry almost instantly during flight due to the oils distributed on their feathers to do exactly that. Water is heavy and interferes with efficient flight of waterfowl. Ever see a Commorant "drying" it's body before flight?
So until water fowl start to carry water in sufficient quantities to maintain the moisture needed for mussel survival, they are not and will not be a factor in mussel distribution between bodies of water.
Boats, trailers and other human items that contain water, being transported between bodies of water, will continue to be the predominate method of infestation to uninfested bodies of water.
[url "http://sgnis.org/publicat/papers/crit.pdf"]http://sgnis.org/...icat/papers/crit.pdf[/url] (read page 3 to 5)
Lake Michigans prey fish numbers have been in a steady decline as the numbers of Quagga mussels has increased. Other factors may contribute, but the charts show a direct prey decline as the quagga mussels increase.
[url "http://www.jsonline.com/features/food/29465749.html"][/url]http://www.jsonline.com/features/food/29465749.html[/url]
These are not Zebra mussels, these Quaggas are able to populate much deeper water than Zebra's can, depths up to 450' are carpeted with Quaggas as shown by recent studies involving trawling and underwater camera observation.
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