09-08-2003, 07:58 PM
well John I am a firm beliver in that the waters are not always calm when we are out fishing.
many a day I have gone out with clear skys, and no rain in the forcast and had a storm blow up apon me with out notice.
as to boat rockers, I beleive we dont have enough of them. just like on the calm seas, we need boat rockers to remind us of potencial stoms on the horizen.
as for asteroids we had one pass by earth this year at half the distance of the moons orbit. now that's what I call a close call. this one was only the size of a football feild. there is another one that is supostedly comming in the year 2014, they say not to wory just yet because there are many factors at play in the solar system that can change the cource. this one is about the size of the one that hit out in arizona or new mexico. cant remember the state, they made a big park out of it. I am sure you will remember which one it is. the cooling affect is much like the dropping of an ice cube in to your wisky and tonic.
as for cooling of the core, (sory about that,) it is realy the crust just above the mantle that changes in tempiture the. just like in the water there is a thermal line where the water tempitures stay prety much the same tempirure year round. in the crust we have the same thing. but as the ocian levels rize so dose that thermal layer untill the point where it triggers the change in the atmosphere.
the rocking of the boat thing I was refering to (I thought you were getting on to the topic of man and his influence on the climate.) what we have done is created a green house affect by releasing gasses in to the atmosphere that keep it worm. we should have been a lot further in to the ice age fromation than we are now. sientest have layers of history in the glacers and on polar caps and in the layers of earth sediment. what they dont know is percisely our effect will have on the climate.
as to what the fish do during an ice age has had me speculating for hours on many a day. for me the nearest conclusion that I can come up with is that they die all together. even during an ice age there is conciderable amount of run off of melting glasures creating links from rivers to ponds to inland fresh water seas like those of the great lakes. In my speculations, I asume that with these links fish are able to migrate south as the water ways open. those that dont move die from the sear preaser if not the cold. as the ice shelves thaw and receed back to the caps the fish follow the flow to the very edges of the flows of melting glasers as they can get. ocuping as much of the waters area as posible.
alaska would serve as a perifect example of what nature has instore for an ice age.
another thing that an ice age has an affect on is desserts. as the sea levels drop the air around the deserts cool and they become butiful agricultureal areas much the same as our green belts now.
Ice ages are not as bad as they are made out to be. man has lived through a good number of ice ages since our ocupaton on this planet. so as the snow and ice colects on the caps again and clame greater surface areas on the northern and sothern hemisphers the receding oceans open up lands that we once ocupied farmed and fished on. there are countles cities that are under water right now that 8-10 thousand years ago were well above the sea level. so for and ice age being a dooms day issue, in my view it is more of a clensing thing. I think of it as an ice shampoo. [sly]
all our land fills will turn in to pockets of coal.
the interisting part will be to me is what will hapen to land locked sea faring creatures during the ice age. as the waters recede we will have salt water lakes for some time till they are flushed out by the rains and melt offs.
I had the opertunity to fish in a man made pond for 20 years. this pond was created by the road commition when they were building a road near by. I was able to see the affects of what happened to the pond through the wet years and drout years. (3 acres and 20 feet at its deepest end) one year the pond water level dropped so low I could walk across the midle to get to the ogher side.
in this pond there were a number of fish verieties, gill - mostly stunted, crappie - few and far between, largemouth bass - most were 8 inches but two reched matmouth perportions, cat fish - all but the planted ones were stunted.
what I saw in this pond was that in the dry years there was a lot of die off, I saw that the fish became less active, I dont know if this had to do with less oxigen in the water or just a loss of apitite from the heat. the fish that did remain and did eat were the larger ones that had servived grew enormusly eating on the smaller less active fish. as the food supply dwindled they were more exceptable to strikeing lures they have seen 10,000 times before.
on the opisite side of the coin I saw near the same affect on the cold years the fish would prety much do the same thing. except in this senario the larger fish were the first to die off. they required more food and more oxigen to stay alive than the less active smaller fish. the harsh winter was a killer to the pond.
during the wet years fishing the pond was much harder. the 3 acre pond grew in to a 5 acre pond. the fish had a new ecosistem. we had a massive increase of the frog population, grond worms were more available. the tall grasses and shrubs provided areas for frylings to hide from preditors amounting in to another population explosion of stunted gills in the pond.
there is plenty of room here for boat rocking, you rock it one way and I will rock it the other,[sly]
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many a day I have gone out with clear skys, and no rain in the forcast and had a storm blow up apon me with out notice.
as to boat rockers, I beleive we dont have enough of them. just like on the calm seas, we need boat rockers to remind us of potencial stoms on the horizen.
as for asteroids we had one pass by earth this year at half the distance of the moons orbit. now that's what I call a close call. this one was only the size of a football feild. there is another one that is supostedly comming in the year 2014, they say not to wory just yet because there are many factors at play in the solar system that can change the cource. this one is about the size of the one that hit out in arizona or new mexico. cant remember the state, they made a big park out of it. I am sure you will remember which one it is. the cooling affect is much like the dropping of an ice cube in to your wisky and tonic.
as for cooling of the core, (sory about that,) it is realy the crust just above the mantle that changes in tempiture the. just like in the water there is a thermal line where the water tempitures stay prety much the same tempirure year round. in the crust we have the same thing. but as the ocian levels rize so dose that thermal layer untill the point where it triggers the change in the atmosphere.
the rocking of the boat thing I was refering to (I thought you were getting on to the topic of man and his influence on the climate.) what we have done is created a green house affect by releasing gasses in to the atmosphere that keep it worm. we should have been a lot further in to the ice age fromation than we are now. sientest have layers of history in the glacers and on polar caps and in the layers of earth sediment. what they dont know is percisely our effect will have on the climate.
as to what the fish do during an ice age has had me speculating for hours on many a day. for me the nearest conclusion that I can come up with is that they die all together. even during an ice age there is conciderable amount of run off of melting glasures creating links from rivers to ponds to inland fresh water seas like those of the great lakes. In my speculations, I asume that with these links fish are able to migrate south as the water ways open. those that dont move die from the sear preaser if not the cold. as the ice shelves thaw and receed back to the caps the fish follow the flow to the very edges of the flows of melting glasers as they can get. ocuping as much of the waters area as posible.
alaska would serve as a perifect example of what nature has instore for an ice age.
another thing that an ice age has an affect on is desserts. as the sea levels drop the air around the deserts cool and they become butiful agricultureal areas much the same as our green belts now.
Ice ages are not as bad as they are made out to be. man has lived through a good number of ice ages since our ocupaton on this planet. so as the snow and ice colects on the caps again and clame greater surface areas on the northern and sothern hemisphers the receding oceans open up lands that we once ocupied farmed and fished on. there are countles cities that are under water right now that 8-10 thousand years ago were well above the sea level. so for and ice age being a dooms day issue, in my view it is more of a clensing thing. I think of it as an ice shampoo. [sly]
all our land fills will turn in to pockets of coal.
the interisting part will be to me is what will hapen to land locked sea faring creatures during the ice age. as the waters recede we will have salt water lakes for some time till they are flushed out by the rains and melt offs.
I had the opertunity to fish in a man made pond for 20 years. this pond was created by the road commition when they were building a road near by. I was able to see the affects of what happened to the pond through the wet years and drout years. (3 acres and 20 feet at its deepest end) one year the pond water level dropped so low I could walk across the midle to get to the ogher side.
in this pond there were a number of fish verieties, gill - mostly stunted, crappie - few and far between, largemouth bass - most were 8 inches but two reched matmouth perportions, cat fish - all but the planted ones were stunted.
what I saw in this pond was that in the dry years there was a lot of die off, I saw that the fish became less active, I dont know if this had to do with less oxigen in the water or just a loss of apitite from the heat. the fish that did remain and did eat were the larger ones that had servived grew enormusly eating on the smaller less active fish. as the food supply dwindled they were more exceptable to strikeing lures they have seen 10,000 times before.
on the opisite side of the coin I saw near the same affect on the cold years the fish would prety much do the same thing. except in this senario the larger fish were the first to die off. they required more food and more oxigen to stay alive than the less active smaller fish. the harsh winter was a killer to the pond.
during the wet years fishing the pond was much harder. the 3 acre pond grew in to a 5 acre pond. the fish had a new ecosistem. we had a massive increase of the frog population, grond worms were more available. the tall grasses and shrubs provided areas for frylings to hide from preditors amounting in to another population explosion of stunted gills in the pond.
there is plenty of room here for boat rocking, you rock it one way and I will rock it the other,[sly]
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