09-08-2003, 10:01 PM
taxes is in it self not a bad thing. I pitch my tent on the protest line as much as any one else.
the problem of taxes is that they become a perminate tax. meaning when the state needs something they find a way to tax something else to get the funds. when they have what they need they keep the tax right on going and pop it in to the slush fund (general fund). it should be that they get the money to do what the money is intended to do and then repeal the tax.
today the average low income family pays close to 58% taxes. it dosnt sound like it is true, but it is. the fact of the mater is, poor folk pay more in taxes than rich folk in percentage.
as mentioned above our hunting and fishing license are actualy a tax. I agree, there has been no testing by individuals who get these socaled license. Look at all the cows moose elk and even recently condors being shot because the hunter said he mistook it for something else.
personaly I think if they are going to have a license there should be a test. I beleive that a fisherman should be able to identify a blue gill from a duck, there should be no reason for shooting a cow when you are out squril hunting. I fully beleive a sportsman should be able to distinguish any species that has a season before they are allowed on the water or in the woods.
when I had taken my hunters saftey cource (volunterily - not manditory because of my age) there was not species identification section portion on the test.
personaly I think it is apauling that a man can go out shark fishing and cant tell the difference between a mako and a great white.
I truly beleive they should throw the book at these people who cant tell the difference between a moose and a deer, let alown a cow with the words cow plainly printed on the side of the dolgone thing.
how about them law changes in the yarly pamplets. how many hours of my life have I spent reading them now novels of a publication. think how much mony is spent on them things. the cost per copy of just one of the 5 publications here in michigan the fishing guide cost .10 cents per copy. in 2004 because of a buget crunch our guides will be black and white insted of color. I know for a fact that the sale of fishing license did not go down in 2002, they went up. I am sure my $14 per year tax what I pay for a reegular ol fishing license will pay for a little color in my book. they have to take the money that I pay the state to allow me to fish to go to something else.
if I have said it once I have said it more times than I care to, and that is our problems with taxes will only grow untill we get rid of the general fund.
here is one for ya, if ya dont beleive that poor folk dont pay more in percentage than the rich folk. just look at this.
a poor man makes 10,000 per year
a middle class family makes up to 100.000 per year
a upper class family makes over 150.000 per year
we wont even talk about the rich.....
when we go to the gass station we all pay the same road and sales taxes on our petro.
when we go to the store we all pay the same tax on our products we perchase.
when we pay our property tax we all pay the same percentage on what the property is valued at.
when we go buy our cigaretts we pay the same taxes on that as well.
the poor man has to spend a thousand dollars in gas and oil to drive back and forth to work per year, so dose the middle and upper class families.
the poor man is now down to 9000 of his yearly income the middle and upper class families are not impacted in perportion as the poor man.
it cost a poor man 250 dollars per month to buy food products for his family per year, and it does for the middle class and the upper class as well. the poor man is now down to 6000 dollars of his yearly income. the revinue of the products sold to the folks include a profit margin wich also includes a tax margin that is paid to the state and federal government.
a poor man lives in a 40 - 60 thousand dollar home, (provided he is not renting/cant afford to rent and his house is paid off) who pays his 2-3 thousand per year in property taxes if renting he pays a minimum of 6000 per year. in which case he is now bankrupt. and his little girl is going to school naked. on the best side saying he only paid the 2000 he now has 4000 left. well the middle and uper class families havent broken their first 10 thou yet.
now here is where the big tax differance comes the poor man has to pay 25% income tax on the 10,000 of his yearly income. where the middle and upper classes have to pay any where from 27% up to about 38% sounds like a lot. and yes you are ablolutly correct. it is a lot. but when the poor man pays his meesliy 2500 in income taxes he is now down to 1500 left for the year to pay for transportation put cloths on his little girl make sure she has the nessasary shots and imunazations, make sure she has a bed to sleep in, make sure she has the required shcool materials that the schools no longer provides.
this sounds like an exaguration, my frend you can bet your new mercedies that it anint. cause just two days ago a family of five was found out side of a resturaunt living in a dumpster. right here in berimingham michigan. one of the richest towns in the nation, one of the richest counties in the contry.
and this is where I go political I have a hard time understanding where a poor man is taxed to go fishing to put food on the table the same tax a rich man pays to go out and play.
this country gives out billians of dollars per year all over the globe for starving families war materials to free welthy nations from their own lack of initiative to govern themselves and rid themselves of their own terinny and yet our government hasnt taken care of its own.
so the next time you here a politition say he is going to give you a tax break, send him a picture of a boot in the pants cause he is only scamming a way to tax ya even more than you are paying now. that aint no lie. gassoline tax here in the state of michigan has gone up 50 cents per gallon.
by the way, I personaly want to thank president bush for the tax gift he sent me this year. I got $0.00 in my check. I went right out and spent it on a new car to help keep our acconimy going.[unsure]
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the problem of taxes is that they become a perminate tax. meaning when the state needs something they find a way to tax something else to get the funds. when they have what they need they keep the tax right on going and pop it in to the slush fund (general fund). it should be that they get the money to do what the money is intended to do and then repeal the tax.
today the average low income family pays close to 58% taxes. it dosnt sound like it is true, but it is. the fact of the mater is, poor folk pay more in taxes than rich folk in percentage.
as mentioned above our hunting and fishing license are actualy a tax. I agree, there has been no testing by individuals who get these socaled license. Look at all the cows moose elk and even recently condors being shot because the hunter said he mistook it for something else.
personaly I think if they are going to have a license there should be a test. I beleive that a fisherman should be able to identify a blue gill from a duck, there should be no reason for shooting a cow when you are out squril hunting. I fully beleive a sportsman should be able to distinguish any species that has a season before they are allowed on the water or in the woods.
when I had taken my hunters saftey cource (volunterily - not manditory because of my age) there was not species identification section portion on the test.
personaly I think it is apauling that a man can go out shark fishing and cant tell the difference between a mako and a great white.
I truly beleive they should throw the book at these people who cant tell the difference between a moose and a deer, let alown a cow with the words cow plainly printed on the side of the dolgone thing.
how about them law changes in the yarly pamplets. how many hours of my life have I spent reading them now novels of a publication. think how much mony is spent on them things. the cost per copy of just one of the 5 publications here in michigan the fishing guide cost .10 cents per copy. in 2004 because of a buget crunch our guides will be black and white insted of color. I know for a fact that the sale of fishing license did not go down in 2002, they went up. I am sure my $14 per year tax what I pay for a reegular ol fishing license will pay for a little color in my book. they have to take the money that I pay the state to allow me to fish to go to something else.
if I have said it once I have said it more times than I care to, and that is our problems with taxes will only grow untill we get rid of the general fund.
here is one for ya, if ya dont beleive that poor folk dont pay more in percentage than the rich folk. just look at this.
a poor man makes 10,000 per year
a middle class family makes up to 100.000 per year
a upper class family makes over 150.000 per year
we wont even talk about the rich.....
when we go to the gass station we all pay the same road and sales taxes on our petro.
when we go to the store we all pay the same tax on our products we perchase.
when we pay our property tax we all pay the same percentage on what the property is valued at.
when we go buy our cigaretts we pay the same taxes on that as well.
the poor man has to spend a thousand dollars in gas and oil to drive back and forth to work per year, so dose the middle and upper class families.
the poor man is now down to 9000 of his yearly income the middle and upper class families are not impacted in perportion as the poor man.
it cost a poor man 250 dollars per month to buy food products for his family per year, and it does for the middle class and the upper class as well. the poor man is now down to 6000 dollars of his yearly income. the revinue of the products sold to the folks include a profit margin wich also includes a tax margin that is paid to the state and federal government.
a poor man lives in a 40 - 60 thousand dollar home, (provided he is not renting/cant afford to rent and his house is paid off) who pays his 2-3 thousand per year in property taxes if renting he pays a minimum of 6000 per year. in which case he is now bankrupt. and his little girl is going to school naked. on the best side saying he only paid the 2000 he now has 4000 left. well the middle and uper class families havent broken their first 10 thou yet.
now here is where the big tax differance comes the poor man has to pay 25% income tax on the 10,000 of his yearly income. where the middle and upper classes have to pay any where from 27% up to about 38% sounds like a lot. and yes you are ablolutly correct. it is a lot. but when the poor man pays his meesliy 2500 in income taxes he is now down to 1500 left for the year to pay for transportation put cloths on his little girl make sure she has the nessasary shots and imunazations, make sure she has a bed to sleep in, make sure she has the required shcool materials that the schools no longer provides.
this sounds like an exaguration, my frend you can bet your new mercedies that it anint. cause just two days ago a family of five was found out side of a resturaunt living in a dumpster. right here in berimingham michigan. one of the richest towns in the nation, one of the richest counties in the contry.
and this is where I go political I have a hard time understanding where a poor man is taxed to go fishing to put food on the table the same tax a rich man pays to go out and play.
this country gives out billians of dollars per year all over the globe for starving families war materials to free welthy nations from their own lack of initiative to govern themselves and rid themselves of their own terinny and yet our government hasnt taken care of its own.
so the next time you here a politition say he is going to give you a tax break, send him a picture of a boot in the pants cause he is only scamming a way to tax ya even more than you are paying now. that aint no lie. gassoline tax here in the state of michigan has gone up 50 cents per gallon.
by the way, I personaly want to thank president bush for the tax gift he sent me this year. I got $0.00 in my check. I went right out and spent it on a new car to help keep our acconimy going.[unsure]
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