04-27-2012, 05:44 PM
Flygodess, I do not think I said they ( Outcast or Bucks ) where better than North Fork for whitewater. " For the next level down either Bucks Bronco Supreme or Pac900fs , Scadden X5 .
If also the possibilities of hiking in with unit then I think North Fork's Renegade is the top pick . "
Actually I think all three are a poor choice for that as there are much better choices. Have they been used for it yes - and I like how you put it "It is just a rating saying they have been taken down this water by a professional and the boat did fine". Would you or I ( average skills ect ) have the same results running class 4-5 in them ?
If the possibility of running white water then I prefer :
1 TUBES - 20" tubes or better ( AIRE, Hyside, Jack's Plastic, Maravia, NRS and SOTAR ) bladderless type .
2. FRAME - with a whitewater class frame ( heavy duty 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 IPS Aluminum or DOM steel )
3. OARS - whitewater class oars NOT CHEAP THIN ALUMINUM PINNED TOGETHER should have a spare.
I have done a fair amount of whitewater rafting - actually got dumped BAD out of the sweep ( last ) boat on the middle fork last year . I was hammered in a hydraulic and by the time it kicked me out I had a 200 yd swim downriver to the last raft for pick up. Was fun in a nutty way BUT I'm pushing 60 and that taxed me just a little bit LMAO.
I have tried those three ( and more ) for the average person with average skills I do not consider them whitewater class. Actually if I had to pick one of those three I would go with the X-5 JUST for the reverse bow closed tube design as it has some benefit riding up and over standing waves . Then I would strenghten the frame and upgrade their upgraded oars. The pontoon material I'd have to live with. For what it would cost I actually got a better deal the way I went and a better boat to boot. [:p]
I guess it all boils down to opinion and I do not have any relationship with any manufacturer ( before anyone asks).
I will say Catchercraft is one of if not the nicest manufacturers to talk to - AND I did not purchase their product . Instead of hype salesmanship I was given ton's of professional advice.
I am in no way a professional and it IS my butt going for the ride so I want the best I could afford under it. After all the pontoon will make it thru ( busted up or not ) it may not be the same outcome with me.[frown]
I compromised on two issues tube length 10- 6 would of preferred 12-6 but storage and transport an issue, oars are pinned 2 pc type but " [font "Arial, Helvetica"][/font][size 2][/size]Sawyer Custom Carbon SST Kevlar Shaft Reinforcement with Rope Wrap and Stop ".
I will close with this : watch some U-tube videos and see what is being used to run whitewater - especially if you do not know what class 3 and above is. Think about your capabilities and what you want to do. Then buy the best you can your life depends on it.
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If also the possibilities of hiking in with unit then I think North Fork's Renegade is the top pick . "
Actually I think all three are a poor choice for that as there are much better choices. Have they been used for it yes - and I like how you put it "It is just a rating saying they have been taken down this water by a professional and the boat did fine". Would you or I ( average skills ect ) have the same results running class 4-5 in them ?
If the possibility of running white water then I prefer :
1 TUBES - 20" tubes or better ( AIRE, Hyside, Jack's Plastic, Maravia, NRS and SOTAR ) bladderless type .
2. FRAME - with a whitewater class frame ( heavy duty 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 IPS Aluminum or DOM steel )
3. OARS - whitewater class oars NOT CHEAP THIN ALUMINUM PINNED TOGETHER should have a spare.
I have done a fair amount of whitewater rafting - actually got dumped BAD out of the sweep ( last ) boat on the middle fork last year . I was hammered in a hydraulic and by the time it kicked me out I had a 200 yd swim downriver to the last raft for pick up. Was fun in a nutty way BUT I'm pushing 60 and that taxed me just a little bit LMAO.
I have tried those three ( and more ) for the average person with average skills I do not consider them whitewater class. Actually if I had to pick one of those three I would go with the X-5 JUST for the reverse bow closed tube design as it has some benefit riding up and over standing waves . Then I would strenghten the frame and upgrade their upgraded oars. The pontoon material I'd have to live with. For what it would cost I actually got a better deal the way I went and a better boat to boot. [:p]
I guess it all boils down to opinion and I do not have any relationship with any manufacturer ( before anyone asks).
I will say Catchercraft is one of if not the nicest manufacturers to talk to - AND I did not purchase their product . Instead of hype salesmanship I was given ton's of professional advice.
I am in no way a professional and it IS my butt going for the ride so I want the best I could afford under it. After all the pontoon will make it thru ( busted up or not ) it may not be the same outcome with me.[frown]
I compromised on two issues tube length 10- 6 would of preferred 12-6 but storage and transport an issue, oars are pinned 2 pc type but " [font "Arial, Helvetica"][/font][size 2][/size]Sawyer Custom Carbon SST Kevlar Shaft Reinforcement with Rope Wrap and Stop ".
I will close with this : watch some U-tube videos and see what is being used to run whitewater - especially if you do not know what class 3 and above is. Think about your capabilities and what you want to do. Then buy the best you can your life depends on it.
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