06-13-2012, 04:46 PM
This thread could use some help from super-secret bassrods de-coder decipher ring that I pulled out of a cracker-jack box! Cliff is one confusing dude!!
[quote tomegun]Jordanelle had alot of is forage sustaining structure in the past now its a bath tub. Forage need fresh grass and trees to flourish. .02
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That's the problem with "new" reservoirs. When they are initially filled, they are full of submerged vegetation. Look at Sand Hollow. You fill a valley full of brush with water, and BOOM -- you have a trophy bass fishery. But, it isn't sustainable -- that submerged brush eventually breaks down and disappears, leaving a "bathtub". What's left for the bass? Nothing, except rocks. Good for smallies, but not for largies.
[quote tomegun]Look at changing the structure,.. See if you can take on adding trees and reefs, and other structures. Try one lake at a time.[/quote]
Good, and bad. The problem is that adding trees (christmas trees) is that it is short-term. Again, they just disappear after a couple years. You cannot sustain that type of structure. Further, the water users of the reservoir have problems with adding this type of structure becuase it causes problems with their "plumbing". So, the owners of the reservoirs often times won't allow "artificial" structures to be put in those reservoirs.
Look at Lake Powell, and the boom cycle it is in. Why? Because the lake was drawn down severely, which allowed tamarisk and other brush to grown on the exposed beaches. The lake level then rose, flooding all that new vegetation, which created great habitat for multiple species, which then had good spawns. Today, we're benefiting from that.
Cliff complains about Jordanelle -- but how do you fix it? The vegetation is slowly disappearing, which means species like perch are losing their habitat, which means other species, like smallmouth, are losing their forage. He can blame it on harvest all he wants -- but harvest is a small part of the equation.
good on tomegun for bringing up habitat -- because habitat is the issue. It's not stocking. It's not harvest. It's habitat. Find a way to correct the habitat issue, and you'll have long-term high-quality bass fisheries. Without the habitat fix, you'll have short-term great fisheries, and long-term marginal fisheries.
Go ahead Cliff -- tell us that we should be stocking chubs.
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[quote tomegun]Jordanelle had alot of is forage sustaining structure in the past now its a bath tub. Forage need fresh grass and trees to flourish. .02
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That's the problem with "new" reservoirs. When they are initially filled, they are full of submerged vegetation. Look at Sand Hollow. You fill a valley full of brush with water, and BOOM -- you have a trophy bass fishery. But, it isn't sustainable -- that submerged brush eventually breaks down and disappears, leaving a "bathtub". What's left for the bass? Nothing, except rocks. Good for smallies, but not for largies.
[quote tomegun]Look at changing the structure,.. See if you can take on adding trees and reefs, and other structures. Try one lake at a time.[/quote]
Good, and bad. The problem is that adding trees (christmas trees) is that it is short-term. Again, they just disappear after a couple years. You cannot sustain that type of structure. Further, the water users of the reservoir have problems with adding this type of structure becuase it causes problems with their "plumbing". So, the owners of the reservoirs often times won't allow "artificial" structures to be put in those reservoirs.
Look at Lake Powell, and the boom cycle it is in. Why? Because the lake was drawn down severely, which allowed tamarisk and other brush to grown on the exposed beaches. The lake level then rose, flooding all that new vegetation, which created great habitat for multiple species, which then had good spawns. Today, we're benefiting from that.
Cliff complains about Jordanelle -- but how do you fix it? The vegetation is slowly disappearing, which means species like perch are losing their habitat, which means other species, like smallmouth, are losing their forage. He can blame it on harvest all he wants -- but harvest is a small part of the equation.
good on tomegun for bringing up habitat -- because habitat is the issue. It's not stocking. It's not harvest. It's habitat. Find a way to correct the habitat issue, and you'll have long-term high-quality bass fisheries. Without the habitat fix, you'll have short-term great fisheries, and long-term marginal fisheries.
Go ahead Cliff -- tell us that we should be stocking chubs.
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