04-02-2014, 09:21 PM
[quote TubeDude]citations of non-related studies in other states that are largely not applicable to a specific lake or species. And I also resent the hell out of the fact that whenever anybody else expresses an opinion contrary to your own they are labeled as "ignorant".
"The crash will come". Yeah, and so will the apocalypse...and the millennium...and Christmas. Utah Lake has been producing lots of big walleyes since the 1950s, without help (or interference) from any government agency. Their population rises and falls with water fluctuations and subsequent forage species fluctuations. Right now they are in their multi thousands with many over 10 pounds. And all fish caught have copious visceral fat. They are not stunting.
Where do you predict the next stunting or crash of walleyes will occur?
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Come on, Tubedude, honestly? You are saying that these studies are "unrelated"? Look at the facts: 1) rising and falling water levels due to irrigation draw downs 2) introduced walleye populations that overwhelmed their prey base 3) intermountain west. Unrelated? I don't think so! These situations are so similar to some of Utah's walleye waters--Deer Creek, Starvation, Red Fleet, and Yuba--it is uncanny! But, these studies I am referencing are "nebulous"….especially since some of those studies are from YUBA! IN fact, the carp information I am referencing are forage studies done ON YUBA!
Did you miss the part where I said that Utah Lake had one of the more stable populations of walleye in the state? Of course, though, Utah Lake's biomass is made up primarily of carp….because carp are one "prey" species that walleye can't totally control. (why don't the carp prey on walleye fry? white bass fry?) Also, for the sake of argument, Utah LAKE is also not a reservoir and it's draw downs are not nearly as pronounced as those in reservoirs like Yuba.
As for the next crash, well, Red Fleet and Starvation are heading that direction….all you have to do is look at what is happening. Walleye numbers are up and fishing for them is getting better and better. Heck, even RMA knows where things head in those fisheries…they are even helping the DWR do their part to get the walleye populations in those places controlled (remember the netting program at Starvation that RMA helped in to remove walleyes?). Deer Creek could also be heading that direction….But, whatever….
….again, though, you show me a picture of a carp's entrails and multiple perch in its stomach, and I will gladly admit I am wrong. The difference between "stomping" on your "layman statements" is that I AM doing it with studies and evidence as proof. One thing I have learned as an English teacher is that it is important to provide evidence for your opinions….where is your evidence? I have given you some of mine…
….I stand by my opinion that the majority of perch predation at Yuba is done by the relatively few walleye in the reservoir and the overpopulating and soon to be stunting pike!
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"The crash will come". Yeah, and so will the apocalypse...and the millennium...and Christmas. Utah Lake has been producing lots of big walleyes since the 1950s, without help (or interference) from any government agency. Their population rises and falls with water fluctuations and subsequent forage species fluctuations. Right now they are in their multi thousands with many over 10 pounds. And all fish caught have copious visceral fat. They are not stunting.
Where do you predict the next stunting or crash of walleyes will occur?
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Come on, Tubedude, honestly? You are saying that these studies are "unrelated"? Look at the facts: 1) rising and falling water levels due to irrigation draw downs 2) introduced walleye populations that overwhelmed their prey base 3) intermountain west. Unrelated? I don't think so! These situations are so similar to some of Utah's walleye waters--Deer Creek, Starvation, Red Fleet, and Yuba--it is uncanny! But, these studies I am referencing are "nebulous"….especially since some of those studies are from YUBA! IN fact, the carp information I am referencing are forage studies done ON YUBA!
Did you miss the part where I said that Utah Lake had one of the more stable populations of walleye in the state? Of course, though, Utah Lake's biomass is made up primarily of carp….because carp are one "prey" species that walleye can't totally control. (why don't the carp prey on walleye fry? white bass fry?) Also, for the sake of argument, Utah LAKE is also not a reservoir and it's draw downs are not nearly as pronounced as those in reservoirs like Yuba.
As for the next crash, well, Red Fleet and Starvation are heading that direction….all you have to do is look at what is happening. Walleye numbers are up and fishing for them is getting better and better. Heck, even RMA knows where things head in those fisheries…they are even helping the DWR do their part to get the walleye populations in those places controlled (remember the netting program at Starvation that RMA helped in to remove walleyes?). Deer Creek could also be heading that direction….But, whatever….
….again, though, you show me a picture of a carp's entrails and multiple perch in its stomach, and I will gladly admit I am wrong. The difference between "stomping" on your "layman statements" is that I AM doing it with studies and evidence as proof. One thing I have learned as an English teacher is that it is important to provide evidence for your opinions….where is your evidence? I have given you some of mine…
….I stand by my opinion that the majority of perch predation at Yuba is done by the relatively few walleye in the reservoir and the overpopulating and soon to be stunting pike!
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