09-05-2014, 04:26 PM
[quote wormandbobber][quote utahgolf]]
so forget yuba, like I stated before. In your analogy, increased harvest at even an exponential rate, has very little negative effect on fish population. So why increase limits or advertise harvest if it has very little effect whatsoever? Aren't we just screwed? It seems harvest isn't a management tool like we're all led to believe in your blanket statement that because fish succeeded under little harvest, it should do so at even greater harvest. Can you ever fish a place out? If a pond has a handful of anglers with a liberal limit,, increased harvest by thousands of new anglers shouldn't matter and the liberal limit doesn't need to be changed. That's what I'm hearing hear.[/quote]
Again, you are failing to look at the other factor--fish added via reproduction. It all depends on the number of fish added....the problem with many of our fishes--YUBA included--is that fish populations are growing exponentially and harvest is NOT!
You can't just look at increased harvest as a problem or a benefit unless you have an idea of the recruitment....so, you could increase harvest by thousands of new anglers and not affect a fishery if tens and hundreds of thousands of fish are replacing those harvested.[/quote]
so we agree there are many variables other than just a blanket statement that because fish did ok under one set of regs, means they should continue to do so even if the regs on the books were completely arbitrary because no one was fishing that place.. A limit is an arbitrary number if you don't factor in all key variables, recruitment is a huge one but also harvest before and after, if harvest is increased exponentially. In some areas, it can handle/needs the extra harvest but in other areas, the added harvest due to an increase in 100x the amount of anglers, could also hurt the fishery in theory? yes? but you're saying that is never possible in your earlier statements?
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so forget yuba, like I stated before. In your analogy, increased harvest at even an exponential rate, has very little negative effect on fish population. So why increase limits or advertise harvest if it has very little effect whatsoever? Aren't we just screwed? It seems harvest isn't a management tool like we're all led to believe in your blanket statement that because fish succeeded under little harvest, it should do so at even greater harvest. Can you ever fish a place out? If a pond has a handful of anglers with a liberal limit,, increased harvest by thousands of new anglers shouldn't matter and the liberal limit doesn't need to be changed. That's what I'm hearing hear.[/quote]
Again, you are failing to look at the other factor--fish added via reproduction. It all depends on the number of fish added....the problem with many of our fishes--YUBA included--is that fish populations are growing exponentially and harvest is NOT!
You can't just look at increased harvest as a problem or a benefit unless you have an idea of the recruitment....so, you could increase harvest by thousands of new anglers and not affect a fishery if tens and hundreds of thousands of fish are replacing those harvested.[/quote]
so we agree there are many variables other than just a blanket statement that because fish did ok under one set of regs, means they should continue to do so even if the regs on the books were completely arbitrary because no one was fishing that place.. A limit is an arbitrary number if you don't factor in all key variables, recruitment is a huge one but also harvest before and after, if harvest is increased exponentially. In some areas, it can handle/needs the extra harvest but in other areas, the added harvest due to an increase in 100x the amount of anglers, could also hurt the fishery in theory? yes? but you're saying that is never possible in your earlier statements?
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