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[hogstalker]

Anybody had any success at Flaming Gorge using corn ? Just curious.
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[TRUBBS]

I used it last year on the WY side before it was legal
(some might remember the argument about if you could get in trouble for having corn on board while launching in Utah & driving to WY)

I had some good luck with it, but seamed to be pretty comparable to what I was having with standard Gulp Maggots.

I also had pretty great luck with using maggots that had dried out, that I filled with corn water to bring back to life.


Now that's its legal on both sides, I plan to make some corn baits much like the guys in the N-West do and see how they work.
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[dubob]

[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]We also used it on the Wyoming side one time and to be perfectly honest about it, and based only on one try with it, I would give it a very, very slight edge over the Gulp Alive maggots that I normally use. My buddy made it up and used 2 different scent combinations. I don't recall what they were, but both worked.[/#800000][/font]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]For me, it will be a lot less hassle to just use the Gulp products and maybe take another 30 minutes to catch a limit of kokes. With having to search for a place just to buy the shoepeg variety and then mix up scent concoctions and then throw the remainder away at the end of the day (it doesn't store well at all), buying Gulp products, which will last all summer, is a much better choice for me. But your mileage may vary. [cool][/#800000][/font]
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[gaardvark]

Since the headline on this thread is about corn and no specific water, I have questions about using it in Cutler reservoir.
First off, has anybody tried it? I know high water is making any fishing more challenging, but curious if it has been more effective than anything else.
Second, what are the defined boundaries of Cutler where it is legal? I assume Cutler Marsh is included, since it is backed up by the dam, but I have looked, and been unable to find any definition of the boundaries where Corn is legal. I have seen it defined as a riverine type reservoir (basically a wide spot in the river), so I don't know that a typical high-water mark really defines it.

Has anybody here seen a definition of the reservoir boundaries or of the geographical limits to using corn? I just don't want to worry about a ticket if I try it in the marsh.

(edited to correct an instance of Cutlet to Cutler)
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[dubob]

[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]In 2017 and 2018, you may use corn at the following waters:

Cutler Reservoir
Deer Creek Reservoir
Electric Lake
Fish Lake
Flaming Gorge Reservoir
Lake Powell
Stateline Reservoir

Please note - Strawberry is NOT on the list. []
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[gaardvark]

Thank you for the reply.

I have read the list of waters where corn is allowed, and in most cases I think those bodies of water are clearly defined by geographical features. Cutler is a little different though, as there is discernible flow and current toward the dam in most every part of the lake with no distinguishing natural feature as the tributaries transition into reservoir waters.

The guidebook defines a reservoir as "the standing water level existing at any time within a reservoir basin. Unless posted otherwise, a stream flowing inside or within the high water mark is not considered part of the reservoir".

Cutler doesn't have a clearly defined basin like most lakes, and the current slows and spreads out, but is always flowing. The tributaries don't have a significant drop into the lake as they have snaked across the valley floor for miles before joining the reservoir. Is Cutler Marsh south of highway 30 still part of the reservoir because it is backed up by Cutler dam? If a manmade feature such a road is a boundary, which bridge defines it? Highway 30? The Benson Marina road? Mendon Road?

Looking at the lake's surface elevation at full pool might define the boundary a little more clearly, but it is a difficult thing to measure when you are on the water.
Again, my primary concern here is where corn is legal and where it stops being legal. Primarily on the Little Bear/Logan river end, but also on the Bear River. At which point as you approach the Bear River is it no longer a part of the reservoir?

Pacificorp owns the reservoir and surrounding property. Their map can be found at: http://www.pacificorp.com/content/dam/pa..._Zones.pdf
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[ducksfresh]

You guys kill me. Shoe peg corn, colors, sent!?!?!?! I have been using straight normal yellow cut corn out of the can for two years and it rocks. Especially successful on a pink squid. I am guessing due to the bright yellow color.

I have been using sweet corn scent for years. The kokes love it.
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[sharksugar101]

Oh yeah, well I spray my corn with WD-40! Not really though, only corn I use is with a T-bone steak. I can't see what the big hype is about corn. I heard bars of soap catch catfish to ( I tried it ).
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[dubob]

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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]I have no idea what your intent was and I'm NOT slamming you for your post, but leading off your post that way was taken by me as calling the rest of us a bunch of idiots for posting questions/opinions about corn use. Had you left that lead-in out of your post, it would have been taken as just more thoughts to consider. Instead, you came across as adversarial on the subject of our opinions. Is that really what you intended? Just curious.[/#800000][/font]
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[TRUBBS]

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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]I have no idea what your intent was and I'm NOT slamming you for your post, but leading off your post that way was taken by me as calling the rest of us a bunch of idiots for posting questions/opinions about corn use. Had you left that lead-in out of your post, it would have been taken as just more thoughts to consider. Instead, you came across as adversarial on the subject of our opinions. Is that really what you intended? Just curious.[/#800000][/font][/quote]

I took it more as a "You guys are putting to much thought/effort into this" and that he has had great luck with the plain jane corn, that it isn't really beneficial (in his opinion) to over complicate it.

Just my $0.02 on the matter.
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[pookiebar]

I think you're being over sensitive. He's just saying he thinks corn is corn is corn.

Ironic though because he contradicts himself by observing the bright yellow color might be why he's seen success with regular yellows corn.
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[ducksfresh]

My apologies if I offended any one. That surely was not my intent.

I am just as guilty as overthinking things especially when it comes to fishing. There always has to be something better. (scent, color,action, ect) I try to keep things simple but it does not always work out.

So saying that fishermen do kill me. All of us.

I really hope that no one, especially a fellow fisherman on this forum are so up tight that they can't see the humor in our efforts.

Mike Fresh
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[Jedidiah]

It's weird to me to see these threads be all reasonable and understanding. Did all the guys who come back with aggression and anger all of sudden get on the right meds or something?

Just kiddin though, good on you guys for being good citizens on the site. I actually met one of us face to face last weekend (Glen) and we had a pretty long talk. I was glad I'd been less of a jerk for long enough that he either hadn't seen some of my crap or had just forgotten enough that he didn't just throw rocks at me. Come to think of it though, that boulder did get pretty close...
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[dubob]

[font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]I was not personally offend by the comments, but thought them to be a little harsh. Mike's comments were valid and deserve consideration. But since we can neither see facial expressions or hear tonal inflections on here, the only thing we have to judge comments by are the words themselves. And sometimes the meaning is not clear. That's why I generally read my own comments several times before posting to assure myself my words say what I want them to say. I'm good with this and hope all y'all are too. [][/#800000][/font]
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[Anglinarcher]

Just an observation from a fishing addict, one that has fished from Washington State to Louisiana, from California to Minnesota. I stopped counting the different species I have caught a long time ago.

When I was a kid growing up in Southern Utah, I was told that the reason we were not "officially" allowed to use corn was that trout could not digest it. That argument made no sense to me because they can't digest rocks and yet they just pass them through without issue. As a kid, once we moved to Idaho, we kept catfish in a cattle water tank and fed them corn once in a while. The indigestible husk just passed through.

I was given the "unofficial" response from a fish cop that corn was used to chum. He told me that up north, in Salt Lake County, that streams and lake bottoms were turning yellow from all the corn used to chum the waters. People would toss out a can, fish for an hour or two, then leave. The next fishermen would come in and do the same ......... a day or two later you could harvest corn from the bottom. This unofficial reason makes a lot of sense to me.

I make this comment to warn people NOT TO CHUM or the use of corn will be taken away from us again.

Now, back to the subject at hand. Because I left Utah for many years, corn has been available to me and I have caught many many fish on it. Carp love it, and yes trout like it, and it works well enough for Kokes as well. BUT, if it was color, then a corn plastic lure would work and they don't, at least not without scent.

It is my theory, and the theory of others I have fished with, that it is the sugars in corn that make the difference. Carp fishing in Europe often entails chumming with corn and then using dough baits heavy in sugar. Taking heavy sugar syrup and coating trout lures and bait often will work very well, and tends to lend some validity to the sugar idea.

Adding color to corn, and bright pink corn is a big hit in Washing State for Kokes, can make all the difference. Using white shoepeg corn, instead of yellow or pink, is often the secret. Like anything else, if fish see the color they will be more likely to investigate it. White is visible far deeper then pink or yellow. Yellow is visible far deeper the hot pink. Nevertheless, hot pink is very visible in shallow water or super clear water. I don't know or care if fish see the color as we do, this is based on how far light waves will travel under water and white, a combination of all light waves, will have the blue component that will show up deepest.

Last issue, types of corn. Shoepeg corn is often the most desirable because it is a whole piece of corn, not a chopped off piece. This makes it easier to bait a hook with and it does not come off as easy. Will it catch more fish? Depends on the day, but my observations are not really, but no less fish either.

So, any luck on Flaming Gorge? I have not used it myself at the Gorge, but I just cannot see how it would not work.

But, consider corn as just another tool, another weapon in your arsenal. Adding color will work when changing colors works on other lures as well. Adding or changing scent is the same way. At least with corn, it is an easy medium to use to add color or scent to. Consider it a color and scent sponge.

And yes, Gulp Maggots, real maggots, etc., all work.

Consider this for a minute. Kokes don't eat maggots, or corn. They eat plankton for the most part. The plastic squid, corn, maggots we use are largely an attractant and the scent seals the deal.

Corn, as good or bad as it is, is just a tool. How well you use this tools dependent on you.

NOW GO FISHING. [fishin]
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[dubob]

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[Fowl-Hook]

Very informative and fact based, congratulations on a fine post.
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[BagABigOne]

I remember people chumming with corn when I was very young, it was still illegal to chum with anything. Then they made it illegal to possess corn and the chummers just switched to other things like canned dog food and ground meat or offal.

I have used corn flavor salmon eggs, they work some of the time like the red ones.
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