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12-13-2007, 06:29 AM
Ok guys, i think this subject was brought up awhile ago but I spent an hour sifting back and no luck so thought I would just post a new thread. What are some safe, non-carbon monoxide emitting heaters to use in an ice tent? Any suggestions greatly appreciated. I'm trying to keep a fishing partner warm......hint, I use my hand as often as I use a ladle to scoop out ice chips from holes....haha. Thanks!
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12-13-2007, 02:11 PM
If it burns any type of hydrocarbon based fuel, it will put of carbon monoxide to some degree. Some have catalysts in them that reduce the amount, but the only way to go without CO is to use those little disposable hand warmers, extra blankets, or more clothing.
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12-13-2007, 02:56 PM
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If it burns any type of hydrocarbon based fuel, it will put of carbon monoxide to some degree. Some have catalysts in them that reduce the amount, but the only way to go without CO is to use those little disposable hand warmers, extra blankets, or more clothing. [/reply] thats totally misleading - the coleman catalytic heaters are made for use inside, in a closed rooom or tent - totally safe - used mine in tent and camper 100 times, still breathing.... sm [signature]
12-13-2007, 05:43 PM
Completely agree that's misleading. I have the Coleman and used it inside relatively-well-sealed 10' x 10' and smaller areas several dozen times. Even says on the box it's safe/made for indoor use.
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12-13-2007, 06:42 PM
Don't you still need some ventilation, like a cracked window or vent, something like one sq inch per yd or something like that?
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12-13-2007, 07:14 PM
Even if they are safe for indoor use they still emit carbon monoxide to some extent. My indoor lp heater (mr buddy) has a saftey shut-off. It atoumatically shuts down when carbonmonoxide levels get too high. If it's not ventalated it usually shuts off within a few minutes.
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12-13-2007, 07:33 PM
Can you tell us witch heater you have so I can check on getting one, I camp on the ice some times and that heater sounds great....
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12-13-2007, 07:41 PM
Rule #1. If its created by a human hand, its designed to fail.
Rule #2. There are no exception to rule #1. Ventilate [signature]
12-13-2007, 07:49 PM
this is the bad boy
[url "http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=5053A751&categoryid=3000"]http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=5053A751&categoryid=3000[/url] i believe its their top of the line, totally safe in a sealed environment, used a carbon monoxide sensor first 25 times or so, after it never ever went off, i quit bringing it . . the fan really helps push the heat, this will bring a 10 x 10 tent up from 15 degrees to 40-45 degrees or so, maybe more . . big difference [url "http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=5038A800&categoryid=3000"]http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=5038A800&categoryid=3000[/url] this one is smaller, no fan, fits in a leatherette bag that holds two propane cyllinders, got one of these too, great for a small tent, or pointing at you under the rainfly outside the tent if you have a erally small tent . . . sm [signature]
12-13-2007, 08:12 PM
IM glad this was brought up. I have a Mister Buddy heater that on the box it says its safe for indoor use such as a house or a tent. Is this true? I use it ice fishing which is great but were in and out of the ice tent all day long so I havent much worried about it. But what about when your camping and have one in your tent all night is it safe? Would really like to know before its to late.
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12-13-2007, 08:48 PM
Kokanee -
See posts 3, 4 & 9, and your own Mister Buddy box. Mine's the older Coleman Black Cat (w/o electronic ignition). Just love it. I paid $35 @ Kirkhams (4 yrs ago). Now they're $70? Ouch. Propane cartridge will last you 'bout 3 hours on low (I think). Cliff - it's burbot with a "T", and bring a blankie if you decide to buy one for overnight ice camps. This thing will NOT warm you to the cockles of your soul... but it makes life bearable. Maybe buy two? [signature] 
12-13-2007, 08:51 PM
i used to have that one southernman and it say right on it to use in ventalated area. however low the co2's are it still puts some off
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12-13-2007, 08:52 PM
I just bought the Coleman black-cat catalytic heater. Tested it out indoors and everything seemed fine. Coleman has a reputation to defend so I don't think they'd advertise it as safe for indoor/tent use if it was really a problem. Talk about a huge lawsuit if it was. The catalytic process removes the carbon monoxide so no worries there. It does say though that since it is burning it uses up oxygen, which you do need to breathe so that's why they say to vent.
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12-13-2007, 09:19 PM
Your Buddy heater should have an auto saftey shut-off. Mine does. It won't stay lit if there's too much of carbon monoxide present. I've left it on overnight with a roof vent cracked and not only did it keep us warm but it stayed lit.
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12-13-2007, 09:52 PM
Thanks I have a sleeping bag that is said to be good to -40 and I know it does great in -5, I am on my way to see the heaters now thanks....(burbot) thanks....[cool]
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12-13-2007, 11:05 PM
I have the procat and been using it for 6 years now and no problems. I used it in Alaska at -30 it doesn't get real warm in a small shack but makes it bearable. In anything over 0 it is normally warm enough to remove hats and gloves and jackets and get to where you don't see your breath. I use it in the summer all the time when camping in a tent. I have a 10 man tent that I use in the summer and run it every night keeps the condensation from forming inside. Never sick or headaches or anything else you would contribute to carbon monoxide probs. Just my 2 cents though.
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12-13-2007, 11:24 PM
I just got back from Shopko they have them on for $44.99 the one I went to has two left when I left, and they say they are safe to use in a tent or home....
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12-14-2007, 01:10 AM
I didn't say it would produce a level of CO high enough to kill you, but it will produce CO, no iffs ands, or butts about it. Simple chemistry my friend. The incomplete combustion of any hydrocarbon fuel will produce CO, and the only way to get complete combustion is to feed the thing pure oxygen...not gonna happen around here. Those little heaters (I have a Mr. Buddy) do work, and are generally safe in an enclosed space for a short time, but if you read the owners manual, there will be precautions in them. If I use mine overnight, I take a portable battery operated CO detector with me. Yes some claim to have safety cutoff switches, but I would rather be safe then dead. CO kills without warning. If you were sleeping, you just don't wake up.
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12-14-2007, 01:27 AM
you are absolutely correct - i found this on the US Consumer Product Safety Commission:
[url "http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/FOIA05/os/CO03.pdf"]http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/FOIA05/os/CO03.pdf[/url] sm [signature] |
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